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Post by meskie on Jul 20, 2023 8:27:51 GMT -6
We have 4 windows in our 50x80 shop along with windows in the doors. Wouldn’t put any more in. If you’re worried about light put a row of lights down the side wall. They work good for lighting up under shields and such.
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Post by Oatking on Jul 20, 2023 14:50:47 GMT -6
Ken mb, let me know how deep your posts will go in? I am wanting to put up my building next summer. Because mine is being built on a newer pad I want to make sure it does not shift! Normal posts go in 8 feet the builder told me but suggested mine to go deeper.
In my area our clay is pretty deep. I know it’s at least 40 feet deep. So rocks are not a problem for drilling or digging piles. I might end up putting piles in so it stays put.
It’s a fun project to work on. I am deciding on 18 or 20 foot side walls .
Leaning to a 60 by 130 and have the same door in mind as you Kenmb.
Not a big fan of slider doors. My estimate of 155 000 was for a 20 by 16 overhead and a 40 ft by fold, estimate and doors will change before contract is signed .
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Post by northernfarmer on Jul 20, 2023 18:00:06 GMT -6
Ken, would I assume correctly that this will always remain a cold storage shed ?. We screwed up years ago when we had a pole shed built because we had it in the back of our mind that we might split it in half as per half shop and half shed, that never happened and it would have been the worst move ever to have done that. However because of that line of thinking this 120 x 54 x 18 shed has a 16 foot high sliding door on one end and a full 18 foot height slider on the other end. I hate sliders, these ones were never build properly relative to the lower track vs the ground height so they are SOL to use the moment the first snow comes. That height of the lower door has completely screwed up the shed for having the option to pull an air drill in one end and drive it out the other. Because the more elaborate overhead/bifold doors can be so expensive and no matter how short the building is the same money gets spent on those doors, length can be added to the shed to store more items end to end. I realize the costs can escalate ... higher, wider, longer etc but that 100 feet that sounds so long relative to lets say a smaller shed one was used to, that sure gets used up in a hurry with an air drill and wide headers on transports that sit by a wall and need some room to manoeuvre them into place due to the end doors not being full width of the building. I like the translucent ridge cap however the material this one was made out of is deteriorating over the years from the sun and leaking some ( the claim was that they came out with a better material a few years later, this is a goodon building ) . It lets some light in without a direct intensity to fade equipment or so I think so, otherwise certainly it would be one black hole with no ridge cap ( no windows in this shed ). I would suggest 20 foot high walls to make sure you have over 18 feet of clearance as there is very little clearance with the drill we have to the opening of the higher slider or rafters for that matter for an example. It would be really nice to have a shed to park grain trailers as well as highway tractors in when not in use.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 21, 2023 7:29:43 GMT -6
Yes, I don't think I need to go crazy with windows but definitely want a couple. As Kevlar said - at least to look out when in the shed so a couple at eye level. In the shop I have 2 windows on south wall and windows in the overhead doors and that works fine. The idea of translucent roof cap was mentioned by supplier but I took that out for same reason NF mentioned - that stuff can deteriorate over time and going onto the the very top of a building to repair something is the worst place to go. So figure I stay with a few windows.
Will see about post depth, a local guy would do the build and this won't be something new for him or digging in our soil so will let him do his thing. 4 foot spacing is the design. Probably will go 120' ft long, will check on that option yet before committing.
Sliding doors do pose an issue, I understand that and so it's on my mind. But overhead doors are certainly not a care free option either. They freeze down, I need to adjust springs each year on my 20 x 14h, if not installed properly they don't work great, and you start going over 20'w and there is a lot of wind pressure and the shear size and weight becomes design challenges for door builders with opening mechanisms and strength. Yes, they make big overhead doors but things are much different than a 12 x 8'car garage door. So think I will take much chances on a slider vs an overhead. A bifold instead of the slider is an option but I suppose a guy can easily replace sliders with bifold in the future.
Yes, just cold storage as I have the other heated shed. So the doors in this new shed really won't get opened much. Probably not at all while snow is on the ground.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 26, 2023 7:39:57 GMT -6
Finally got a written quote on labor, still don't have written quote for the building, but I did a piss poor job of putting together a verbal discussion. It's about $10/sq ft to build including putting in doors and such without taxes. So a 56x100x18 is looking like around $130,000 complete. I would do the electrical.
Will likely go 120ft long. Waiting on a price adjustment for that.
While fresh in my mind, I had a phone discussion with Prairie Steel. My shop is from them and they have a package with a steel base tube system with screw piles that I knew of years ago so called them up for that reason. About $200,000 built without doors for a 60 x 120 x 22 sidewall with the base tube system. The 22ft sidewall is to get 18' bifold, height/depth of the main roof supports means the sidewalls need to be that high to get the 18ft of clearance. They use $8 sq ft for labour. About $25,000 of that price is the base, $120,000 for building, another $50,000 for labour. Probably about $25,000 to add in the two bifold.
If I was farming with the kids and looking to get 50 years out of a building I would likely go the Prairie Steel route. But I expect the farm to get smaller in next few years and not bigger so will build what I need now and a shed that is too small is the next guys problem come 20 years.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 29, 2023 7:15:44 GMT -6
I had Goodon quote a building in April, they were very similar to buying local so will stay local. Both Goodon and local are using spec for post 6ft deep and 4ft centers. Goodon using 2x6 with 4 pieces for posts, local option is 6x6 posts. Local guy says an argument can be made either way as to whether a solid or laminated post is better.
I don't have a picture of the pig barn removed, had the building taken down and put in a hole and left the concrete figuring I can work around it. Just rip out a strip for where one wall of posts would go and cover rest with clay. Changed my mind and got all concrete removed. There were manure pitts running along each side of building, about 4 ft deep and 6' wide. Concrete was taken out and some of dirt pulled in. Those areas I filled with sand. Maybe 100 yds worth. I still have to build up grade since there is a downward slope from a bin lineup to where the shed will be. I will pull clay out of field to build up the entire foot print of building so the sand will get a 1 to 2 ft clay cap. What I do inside the building will be left till next year. Probably road sand/gravel mix. Building will be laid out so the posts don't go where I filled pitts with sand. It's about the best I can do when revamping an aging yard. Putting a building on the slope of a hill is kind of crappy but should be able to make it work out ok.
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Post by kenmb on Nov 9, 2023 10:27:02 GMT -6
Can't say my on farm project is going well. Supposed to start around mid October, but as always, things get pushed off because everyone says they are busy. They decided yesterday was a good day to send the wood out. Which meant pulling the truck into and around the yard just to get him there. All the building material is supposed to be on the other end of the yard where it is out of the way but snow won't allow that. Instead it is piling up right beside the driveway. So the guy couldn't get the trailer axle assembly to slide forward and lower the back end down. Tried pulling on axle with 4020 and no go. So he raises front of trailer deck to get load to roll off anyway and instead the rafters go over the side of the trailer and catch the 40 foot door - which also was supposed to be on the other side of site. At that point I bit my tounge, got him out of the yard and will wait and see how the rest of the job goes. So far the only thing that went right was the doors showing up, and now one should be going back. And some holes are drilled, so that's a plus.
It's a mess around here right now. I also booked some canary seed for Oct-Nov movement. It is at the other yard with no driveway, just bins on the field edge. Maybe fall will be nice, and no snow till late November and ground will be froze if they call for it later. Nope, they call yesterday around supper. It's like people sit in their office and look outside to figure out when is the worst time to do something - then put things in motion.
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Post by Oatking on Nov 9, 2023 13:35:07 GMT -6
Take more pictures as you go ken. My building will have to wait another year to get a good base made.
Too bad about the door. Haste makes waste or did the driver never know that!
It’s difficult building or working in slushy snow conditions!
Did you put land scape fabric under your gavel base in your shed pad?
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Post by kenmb on Nov 11, 2023 10:56:35 GMT -6
No pad to speak of. Used the scraper to pull down a bit of a hill and then brought in more clay to build up the lower portion of the area. Did lots of extra passes with the loaded scraper to pack things down more. Will put shed up then add some clay/gravel mix or what ever the recommendation is.
Not impressed with it being done now, was supposed to be started early to mid October because November can be this way. Actually they could of started late September and I told them so. But as usual, no one can deliver things on time. Except for Diamond Doors, their stuff was on time and turns out being three weeks later would have been for the better.
Don't know what trucker was responsible for. He may have not unlocked his trailer brakes when trying to move the trailer axle forward. I don't know. The 4020 and his hydraulic pack should have got the axle group moving. Doing things on a crappy day gets people flustered quite easily. He couldn't make the turn off the grid road onto the driveway, front end was sliding into the ditch and couldn't steer. So had to pull the truck front end around to get him on the driveway and pulled him into the yard. Then he couldnt move again without tractor hooked up. So not a good day for a driver. And apparently the idea is they stack rafters on top of lumber bundles, tilt the deck and everything rolls off as a nice little package exactly as it was stacked. Um, no. Thats not actually how it rolled off either. But that is their assumption since the bundles weren't tied together to keep it as a tight package.
Shuffling equipment around now to get stuff crammed into the 2 sheds I do have.
I don't know if putting posts into frozen ground is an issue. It's not froze yet, but tamping them in good is rather important. Posts aren't here yet, I thought they were coming last week but no.
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Post by shmiffy on Nov 15, 2023 21:33:05 GMT -6
I got piles put in for my house late December last year. Wouldn’t be too worried about putting posts in for a month yet.
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Post by Oatking on Dec 3, 2023 14:50:16 GMT -6
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Post by kenmb on Dec 4, 2023 7:56:59 GMT -6
That's how it is supposed to work in theory. The delivery trailer is also supposed to have the axle group able to slide forward so as to lower the tail onto the ground and eliminate the drop. No axle movement meant it was dropped off the end.
Interesting trailer. It is also a deck with rollers spaced every foot or so and air brakes on the rollers that are released at time of unload.
What I saw in the video is nothing to secure the rafters to the bottom skids. So the hope is once everything starts moving then it all continues as a unit. And that is what did not happen for mine. And can see it happening again. If this was a commercial job site the accident review would look at that system and ask what is going to prevent it from happening again. If it isn't secured as a bundle then it could happen again.
They are supposed to start tomorrow. New door frame from Diamond Doors got here a week ago. Replacement rafters around the same time. Builder moved some more equipment over yesterday. Wait and see.
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Post by kenmb on Jan 16, 2024 9:31:33 GMT -6
To update, rafters were finished being put up last Monday just before it turned cold. Diamond door had the new door frame on the farm about 4 weeks (maybe less) after the first one was bent up. Complete frame with hinges and such, just none of the operator components or what ever can be unbolted and transferred over. So good for Diamond.
While the local guys seem to be doing ok they definitely are not working at a pace to finish rapidly. Not much I can do and I can't tell the guy how to run his crew because I don't know his business. The day before shutting down for Christmas he said he would be out between Christmas and New Year, but then no one was here. Nice clear sunny and calm days and - 3c but nothing got done. Could have transferred parts from the damaged door frame to the good one if he didn't have a crew of 5 or 6, but no one came to do any work.
When they got to putting up the rafters they did work that Saturday and Sunday before the cold snap. First sign of trying to push the work forward.
It is what it is. Work trailer has been here since November. Man lift is sitting here now too so its not like they don't have some resources committed to the work. Zoom boom has been here since early December, took it home for the cold snap.
Temperatures supposed to improve next week so expect tin to go on if wind is low. Ran into a guy in town whose brother is going to be working on the tin so sounds like some subcontracting for that which is likely a good thing. Different people involved who will want the job moving without delays once started.
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Post by shmiffy on Jan 18, 2024 18:54:36 GMT -6
I’m starting to think when my shop was built in 2013 that the time to put the building up was very rare.
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Post by kenmb on Jan 25, 2024 10:10:04 GMT -6
I was the general contractor for my house in 2013. Was one year from time the track hoe started till I was sleeping in it. This was when housing peaked in Regina and I could not even get a bid for most stuff since contractors were booked up. Found all local guys for the main tasks. So 3 months to do a pole shed is long in comparison. They did start putting on tin yesterday so by the weekend I should be able to put swather and combine header into the structure. Then doors to do.
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