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Post by kenmb on Feb 2, 2024 7:41:00 GMT -6
Just about done, not sent enough j-channel to trim out the doors for sheeting so waiting on that. So just end walls to sheet in. Didn't get power ran over since ground was froze by the time walls were in place so will use a generator to run the doors till I get around to electrical. Being able to use a drill to spin the door motor is a nice feature but what they don't tell you is you need to stand on the door frame and ride it up as you open it which poses a challenge as to how you get down once you open the door.
Probably will put in a French drain between shed and bins. Good slope down to a slough at far end of shed so think I will get a mini excavator and dig a trench between shed and bins to put some weeping tile pipe in and crushed stone.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Feb 2, 2024 9:05:11 GMT -6
I have extreme envy.
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Post by Oatking on Feb 2, 2024 9:41:24 GMT -6
Great looking shop Kenmb !
Curious , I couldn’t tell by the picture but are guys still putting clear panels on the roof peak or on the slope? I am going to install led lights this summer .
Maybe a silly question , I have been battling this question for a few years , but will a shop pay for itself in 15 years? Or is the convenience alone worth it?
Building a cold storage doesn’t reward you with a fun factor but it does appear they hold their value over the years.
If I had a son who wanted to farm I wouldn’t think twice about building right away .
Cold storage is in hot demand now in my area . How much should a guy charge to store a combine ?
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Post by meskie on Feb 2, 2024 9:49:57 GMT -6
A shop paying for itself has so many variables between farms it’s hard to say. We figure ours should pay for itself in 10 years but we do a lot of our own fixing. Add into it the more time you have in the summer for other things besides getting equipment ready that’s hard to put a price on. Maintenance sure gets sone a lot more on our chore tractors while being parked in the heated shop
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Post by kevlar on Feb 2, 2024 10:23:52 GMT -6
Great looking shop Kenmb ! Curious , I couldn’t tell by the picture but are guys still putting clear panels on the roof peak or on the slope? I am going to install led lights this summer . Maybe a silly question , I have been battling this question for a few years , but will a shop pay for itself in 15 years? Or is the convenience alone worth it? Building a cold storage doesn’t reward you with a fun factor but it does appear they hold their value over the years. If I had a son who wanted to farm I wouldn’t think twice about building right away . Cold storage is in hot demand now in my area . How much should a guy charge to store a combine ? A shop pays for itself the minute they are done building it! Go take a look around your yard and add up the $$$ in tires on all your equipment, it will soon add up to as much as the cost to build the shop. We just put 2 new rear tires on our front wheel assist this week, 95% of the tread left but rotting away from the elements, there was one shop payment. New rubber doesn't last nearly as long as the actual rubber ones from years ago. Then there is the paint fade, belt and hose rot..........
Not sure what to say about a heated shop, I no longer can say I have nothing to do in the winter because there is always something to fix lol.
I would almost rate having a heated shop as important as having equipment, with cold storage a close second. We're considering building a lean to on our cold storage to park the semi and trailer in, climbing on top of the trailer to get the snow and ice off isn't as fun as it used to be.
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Post by kevlar on Feb 2, 2024 10:25:05 GMT -6
Just about done, not sent enough j-channel to trim out the doors for sheeting so waiting on that. So just end walls to sheet in. Didn't get power ran over since ground was froze by the time walls were in place so will use a generator to run the doors till I get around to electrical. Being able to use a drill to spin the door motor is a nice feature but what they don't tell you is you need to stand on the door frame and ride it up as you open it which poses a challenge as to how you get down once you open the door.
Probably will put in a French drain between shed and bins. Good slope down to a slough at far end of shed so think I will get a mini excavator and dig a trench between shed and bins to put some weeping tile pipe in and crushed stone.
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Post by Oatking on Feb 2, 2024 10:40:10 GMT -6
I hear you kevlar about the snow on the tarp problem . Heavy ice is a killer !
Same with tires . You are right , side walls rot out before any lugs wear out much.
How long would you mortgage a shop for .
Any guys lease the shop cost ?
Leasing interest rates are a lot higher now . Not sure it makes sense .
Hey Kevlar , if you make a lean to , maybe make it a wash bay ?
Than you would have a heated shop as well !
Lots of cash I guess
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Post by CTS2 on Feb 3, 2024 5:05:13 GMT -6
Interesting to see the frame made of timber.
Timber frame sheds haven't been common here for over 50 years or more, and timber purlins faded from use about 30 years or so ago.
Are timber frames common? What are the advantages?
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Post by kenmb on Feb 3, 2024 9:34:44 GMT -6
No clear panels at all in shed, the view of others is they eventually degrade, crack and break and need replacement after maybe 15 years. So definitely don't want roof maintenance, also decided I didn't want side wall maintenance of replacing those panels there either. So one window in each wall for looking out as needed. Lights will do the rest. Priced out steel frame building and posted about that here last year. This 120 x 56 x 18 will be around $170,000 complete with 2 bifolds. Steel would be about $220,000 but need some concrete work to build on so adds maybe $30k, don't know, depends how far you go with concrete. Other two sheds are all steel. This shed is cold storage only. If i was building generational farm I likely would have found away to make a steel building fit the budget. But I will be the last guy here so all this stuff is more about enjoying things. Does a shop pay for itself? Strictly dollars and cents maybe not for me. A bigger farm with more machines and more man power and it certainly changes things. I would take on more work if I had a second pair of hands when needed for a week or two. These days the heavy work gets done by someone else. I hope to get the drill work done this spring under a roof though since the shed can fit it. I have always done my drill maintenance in summer but had other stuff on the go so will be spring this year. Takes 2 days so not a big deal finding a couple nice days in spring to work outside. But can do it under a roof now. I may be better trading off machines rather than buying sheds. Strictly dollars and cents. Two things that don't factor in is that: A) I like to keep a machine I am familiar with. Trading often does not fit well with that. I may not have the best machine, be the most efficient, but familiarity for me means less stress. Learning the quirks of each different machine and waiting to find out if I bought a problem child is not pleasant. The devil you know - applies here.  I don't mind tinkering on some stuff if it is a one man job and without risking screwing up a $20,000 item. Gives me something to do. I don't spend much time in the heated shop in the winter but there are some small jobs I do wait till winter to take care of. Lastly, a shop and shed are 2 different things in my mind. I personally think they should be separate entities but I suppose if you have the money then they can be the same. The shed is for what Kevlar said, keep stuff out of the sun to keep the tires in good shape, exposed electrical wire and connectors out of sun and rain, save the belts and canvases and such. Again, if a guy trades often then these things don't matter. I like running older machines, and it's not necessarily I am forced too financially. True enough I can't afford new anyway, but would rather keep the 20 year old unit going vs move to a 10 year old. So went my debating a different combine. Not everything is dollars and cents. Its what I say about building net worth and the crap the banker says. Most stuff I do is for what I want to do. And it is nice to tinker on something under a roof. |
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Post by Oatking on Feb 3, 2024 10:47:38 GMT -6
I find myself in a similar situation ken mb.
Really nice shed you got !
I think parking a loading auger and unload auger in the shed saves time and energy digging it out of a snow bank .
Right my biggest problem is not the money part but the location .
In the rrv flood zone you can’t just build anywhere . I have filled up two old ponds and built up the area to 97 level plus two feet .
Problem is my patients and when do you know you have a hood base ?
I have packed the area and added more soil from the shrinking process .
The ponds were about 20 feet deep plus and 10 feet from field level .
I don’t want to put 30 ft piles of concrete down . That would be a lot of concrete . I would rather see it on the floor!
Do there lies my problem.
What would you guys do?
Site has three years of settling .
I want to get going , I am not concerned if I am a bit below 1997 flood level but want to have a steady base .
My farm is built up on a pad. That limits my space .
I am not sure the name of the machine , but those packers with the cleats on the roller , would that be a good way to speed up settling !
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Post by meskie on Feb 3, 2024 11:51:16 GMT -6
If you were to use something to pack it with you should dig it all out refill and pack it in lifts a foot or two feet deep at a time. Otherwise the top will be firm but the sub grade could still settle or move around and cause issues. No idea what screw piles would cost to go down that deep to build on.
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Post by kevlar on Feb 3, 2024 11:51:39 GMT -6
I find myself in a similar situation ken mb. Really nice shed you got ! I think parking a loading auger and unload auger in the shed saves time and energy digging it out of a snow bank . Right my biggest problem is not the money part but the location . In the rrv flood zone you can’t just build anywhere . I have filled up two old ponds and built up the area to 97 level plus two feet . Problem is my patients and when do you know you have a hood base ? I have packed the area and added more soil from the shrinking process . The ponds were about 20 feet deep plus and 10 feet from field level . I don’t want to put 30 ft piles of concrete down . That would be a lot of concrete . I would rather see it on the floor! Do there lies my problem. What would you guys do? Site has three years of settling . I want to get going , I am not concerned if I am a bit below 1997 flood level but want to have a steady base . My farm is built up on a pad. That limits my space . I am not sure the name of the machine , but those packers with the cleats on the roller , would that be a good way to speed up settling ! Are you thinking of a sheep’s foot packer? They pack good but won’t do much on 20 feet of fill, has to be done in layers. Do you have to build the base above flood levels or is a berm sufficient? |
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Post by bob123 on Feb 3, 2024 12:33:33 GMT -6
I dont think they will insure/permit it if you're not above 97 flood levels?
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Post by Oatking on Feb 3, 2024 12:59:48 GMT -6
I will have to check the permit issues on flood level .
When I had the pad built it was packed pretty well with dump trucks backing and a dozer pounding the day lights out of the ground .
I am just giving a good guess but it took at least 700 -1000 or more dump trucks of clay to fill in both ponds .
I was fortunate to get good clay from the flood . The straw was hauled to the rosenort dump.
To do a project like this on my own would have cost at least a half million . I gained 5 acres of yard space .
I didn’t want the ponds which were built to build the other 5 acres of my farm yard .
We did it this way because we didn’t want to live in a hole and not see out .
But it has its disadvantages with room for new builds .
Yeah the debt of the piles is a problem .
Realistically I should wait 5 years but when your in the twilight of your career i find myself in the current predicament . I only want to build if it’s done right .
I have cleaned up 9 big dugouts on my land and my neighbours two quarters .
Even after 20 years you see settling but those dugouts I didn’t pack .
I was wondering if good packing would be enough
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Post by Oatking on Feb 8, 2024 8:46:30 GMT -6
Well , I got a more local quote for a 60 by 130 by 20 high pole shed with a 50 foot by fold door , and a 40 foot sliding door and two man doors .
Price quote was 233 000 .
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I don't mind tinkering on some stuff if it is a one man job and without risking screwing up a $20,000 item. Gives me something to do. I don't spend much time in the heated shop in the winter but there are some small jobs I do wait till winter to take care of. 