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Post by hamlet69 on Aug 9, 2022 12:51:53 GMT -6
can you contact me? Been trying to message you directly but software is driving me batty-- send button?  ?? |
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Post by Beerwiser on Aug 9, 2022 13:09:18 GMT -6
You need to have 5 posts before you you can message members hamlet.
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Post by hamlet69 on Aug 9, 2022 13:36:01 GMT -6
I am sorry to say I am one of the latest victims. At the time it seemed reasonable -- in stock demo diesel Ramrod with bunch of attachments. led to believe it was matter of loading on truck and send my way so yes I did the unthinkable and gave them my money. You all know the story-- small SK company in business for years ought to be good. I was even seeing used machines out here on the coast... and at the time the BBB hadn't revoked their status yet
Anyways neither here or there now. Eight months in I am out stupid money without hope of getting a dime back. I got my small claims court date beginning of September and they should be served their papers tomorrow. I am not worried about winning a judgement in my favour, its just how the hell will I collect?
Given the volume of people like me that were screwed over I am probably a drop in the bucket of creditors looking for money. I just want to get in line with the off chance I might get a scrap when they go belly up.
It really puzzles me how they can keep going like this. If it is a legit business its just not a viable business model -- take the money and never delivery or give it back. If its not incompetence then what's the game? Embezzle as much as you can from the company then declare bankruptcy? Its just weird....
Any ways... anyone with advice or a success in getting their money back please message me. I know there is a class action regarding their faulty manure spreaders but is there anything related to breach of contract that I might join?
Sincerely
Swindled in Victoria BC
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Post by hamlet69 on Aug 9, 2022 13:37:22 GMT -6
oh awesome thanks! I thought I was going crazy.... well there is an hour of my life I will never get back... DHOH!
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Post by hamlet69 on Aug 9, 2022 16:25:22 GMT -6
I meant to post this last week when I got home from my trip. On the way home we came through Yorkton, I joked to my wife that we should go pay Leon’s a visit, turned out we ended up going right by them! It was a Saturday so no people or vehicles around, but by the look of things, nothing in the compound that I could see, absolutely nothing, no machine, metal, equipment. I wonder if they are finished? Anyone know if they are still in business? From what I seen I would say no. Looked up the BBB again and they now have a warning at the top of the page about this company. From my experience with the BBB, it has to get really bad to get to this point where they have a warning. That answers one of my questions.... I wondered if there was anything in their yard (I live in Victoria, BC). It might be if they do have stuff but its locked up so it doesn't get repossessed. When you originally posted this message I was preparing my documents for small claims and had to do a corporate title search. They still existed as a company on paper as of the end of July. Who knows what's happening on the ground though... On the same record it lists their law firm on retainer. I phoned them last week to make sure they are still a client. The receptionist put me on hold while she checked which gave me pause. Its not like its a New York law Office with thousands of clients... Supposedly they still are |
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Post by kenmb on Aug 10, 2022 8:40:52 GMT -6
Pretty sad story hamlet. When we were talking about this over the last couple years I was thinking that all the crap Leon's has pulled would have ended by now. Either they got their act together and started delivering product on time or they would be shut down. But here we are years later and sounds like the exact same operating methods.
Not much you can do differently. A product is said to be on hand that fits your needs and you send the company the funds because it is very unlikely any company would ship without payment. It's how things work. It's actually kind of disappointing our consumer protection system is totally non-existent in a case like this. I mean, where is any of our laws and regulations to prevent this from occurring over and over. This is not a one-off occurrence. There would probably be faster and more heavy handed actions if someone filed one single complaint about Leon not hiring enough visible minorities.
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Post by northernfarmer on Aug 10, 2022 10:00:31 GMT -6
I would have sworn that well before now Leon's would have been dealt with, a reorganization of the company, a bankruptcy, a buyout ... something. So if the lawyers/government can't get it together to put their foot down on this after all this time, what other companies out there we deal with may do similar and we as farmers get caught up in the middle of something that we seem powerless to do anything about. Is it possible there is something behind this we can't see, someone pulling strings in power who is allowing Leon's to keep on being crooks ?
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Post by Oatking on Aug 10, 2022 11:41:35 GMT -6
I wonder if they are selling equipment twice over.? My local dealer has 3 or 4 pieces of leons equipment and I have seen other dealers with their equipment in there yards. I wonder if they take the customer s money and than sell the same piece to a dealer lot. That would sure keep there financial scheme going! The whole thing is B.S. basically hurts a lot of people. I am sure the dealers know whats going on and if customers refuse to buy the leons than the dealer is stuck with the equipment.
You guys think double selling is going on by Leons management?
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Post by kevlar on Aug 10, 2022 11:44:00 GMT -6
That’s one thing I learned from my ordeal. There is absolutely nothing in place to protect the consumer, it’s all set up for the businesses. If I had received the scraper and pulled off what they had done and not payed them and gave them the runaround, I would still be in jail today.
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Post by hamlet69 on Aug 10, 2022 12:45:44 GMT -6
Pretty sad story hamlet. When we were talking about this over the last couple years I was thinking that all the crap Leon's has pulled would have ended by now. Either they got their act together and started delivering product on time or they would be shut down. But here we are years later and sounds like the exact same operating methods. Not much you can do differently. A product is said to be on hand that fits your needs and you send the company the funds because it is very unlikely any company would ship without payment. It's how things work. It's actually kind of disappointing our consumer protection system is totally non-existent in a case like this. I mean, where is any of our laws and regulations to prevent this from occurring over and over. This is not a one-off occurrence. There would probably be faster and more heavy handed actions if someone filed one single complaint about Leon not hiring enough visible minorities. Can anyone give me a summary of how many people have had problems and what the outcome has been? And how far back? In my mind its either incompetence or fraud -- and well maybe a mixture of the two but lets keep it simple... Maybe if someone takes a step back and looks at the bigger picture after collecting all of the available information a case can be made that would warrant a criminal investigation... Individually we are easy to ignore but collectively we may garner real change cheers |
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Post by hamlet69 on Aug 10, 2022 12:59:14 GMT -6
I wonder if they are selling equipment twice over.? My local dealer has 3 or 4 pieces of leons equipment and I have seen other dealers with their equipment in there yards. I wonder if they take the customer s money and than sell the same piece to a dealer lot. That would sure keep there financial scheme going! The whole thing is B.S. basically hurts a lot of people. I am sure the dealers know whats going on and if customers refuse to buy the leons than the dealer is stuck with the equipment. You guys think double selling is going on by Leons management? If anyone thinks they have evidence of criminal activity I have opened up a file with the Yorkton RCMP detachment-- feel free to give them a shout. They can't do anything with my case as I am waiting for my small claims hearing beginning of September but if they heard things from others they could follow that info... File # 20221126235 Const. Cameron Nash has the file. The general line for the detachment is 306 786 2400 |
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Post by hamlet69 on Aug 10, 2022 13:20:09 GMT -6
Well that was short lived!!
Just spoke to Const. Nash and lots of fraud allegations but all resolved as company eventually delivered. From where he sits its really crappy public relations. Not "enough meat on the bone" for him to follow up... He wondered why they were still in business!!!
Anyone have a smoking gun they are sitting on?
Cheers
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Post by kevlar on Aug 10, 2022 13:52:51 GMT -6
That’s too bad, I was hoping maybe the rcmp had a change of heart, I had tried that but they told me it was someone else’s department, I can’t recall what branch of the legal system was supposed to look after it, but that went nowhere.
I think it’s time to get the spot light shining on them, I have my money back, but they made an enemy for life when they screwed me around. I’m going to have some fun with them! lol
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Post by kenmb on Aug 12, 2022 7:29:31 GMT -6
The people who would have the numbers of buyers being screwed around would already have them, that would be the police and consumer protection groups as a start.
Originally I would have said short term dishonesty as Leon's was in a bind and trying to make cash flow for a short period due to financing issues. Good cash flow when you can get payment for something but not incur costs because you don't plan to start building it for months later. But that would not go on for years. At work we would get into cash flow binds for a couple months to make the bank happy for year end or maybe quarterly but that all got sorted out being a small company growing. Pretty much every company has cash flow being a constraint on business. But you eventually sort it out one way or the other. Because it really is a bad business plan to keep screwing your customers in order to manage your business cash flow. But Leon's seems to be proving my beleifs that it gets sorted out fairly quickly is wrong. They seem to be doing it for years.
I would not call it incompetence. The people at Leon's know what is going on. Even the office admin who is dealing with irate buyers on the phone likely daily knows people are getting screwed around. Sales know. Management know. Production knows. Incompetence is impossible to be the reason.
And while a company managing cash flow by delay in shipping may not be fraud, it certainly is bad business and dishonest when delivery is promised in a month and instead it is 18 months. Let's face it, if they promise 18 months at time of order to build a one month product and you get it in 14 months after paying up front then you would be a happy buyer. The dishonesty is in giving fake delivery times. So I don't know where that goes legally because we are really talking about what obligations are for meeting a stated delivery time.
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Post by cheechoo on Nov 19, 2022 8:14:18 GMT -6
I have been in the same situation with this crappy company for a year now . The company that financed my machine paid them in full before delivery , the sales man there Monir Zaman scammed me and the finance company by promising the demo model would be delivered in two weeks that was November 2021 . Every week after that was continue of lies , stalling , not returning emails or phone calls . A few times they lied and said it’s been out for delivery , it’s on the way! .
The only decent thing they have done for me is reimburse me for machine rentals I have used in the meantime but that doesn’t help me when I’m paying $600 a month and refusing jobs I can’t do because it’s hard to just walk in a store and rent a machine in the middle of the busy season. The person working there Peter Katarina tried to help me get reimbursed abd I have not heard from him in 6 months , they probably fired him . Monir stopped replying g to calls and cut me off totally. Now the finance company has stepped in trying to collect the refund abd on several occasions they have said they will issue EFT but they never do , they cone up with done pathetic excuse each time . After 10 months it f not hearing from Monir this guy decides to call me asking to meet with me because he is in town abd wants to offer a new machine . This guy either has early signs of dementia or is trying to commit suicide by calling me . I immediately told him off ! This company is owned by a bunch of scum bags they leave all there bullshit for the employees to deal with all there issues and hide at home . Not to mention I had purchase a Tiro dingo fir twice the cost of there shitty machine I’m glad I ne et did receive it because guaranteed they have no replacement parts for it should it ever breakdown and I know that there machines now are prove to breakdown , now I’m Paying for two machines .
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