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Post by kenmb on Jul 14, 2024 13:31:34 GMT -6
Starting to get familiar with the machine, would like to get some feedback from you guys who already have years experience rather than make the necessary mistakes learning or rely on dealer to give me some info.
Can't get into the online parts thing via claas connect, still waiting for dealer to let me in, did my application last week and re did my request today so will have to chase that down yet. Don't know any other way to look up parts.
Right now I am wanting to change the roller chains but don't know what is factory spec.
Unloading auger chain is pretty bad, Diamond #80 O-ring chain on there now. Doesn't look like a 80H. Couldn't find O-ring chain in Regina at Motion or Applied Tech as neither stock it. Picked up some Tsubaki rather than chase around for Reynolds or Diamond like I usually do.
Can't see running a non O-ring chain being an issue but what have you guys learnt.
Plan to do clean grain elevator chain, on there now looks like 60H as side plates are 0.140" thick. Need parts book to confirm if 60H is required.
Tailings elevator chain not bad, have lots of 50 chain here so will change it too.
Combine has the turbo chop chopper. The two fans, and a hydraulic valve on left side to differentiate from pro chop. I read guys have issues with the choppers plugging. I read there is a retrofit panel for chopper to change flow, how do I recognize it. Also read someone suggested removing some stationary knives to help flow. Different knives, low speed vs high speed and such. Curious if there is a consensus to have least amount of trouble.
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Post by meskie on Jul 14, 2024 17:21:04 GMT -6
Your chain guesses are all correct. Only thing with unloading chain is the oring chain lasts a lot longer. Also make sure you time your unload cross augers. Dealers say you don’t have to but service manual says to and we got 3 times more life out of that chain by timing the augers. Clean grain chain you can use regular 60 if you want but we always use heavy chain.
Parts Doc is a gong show. I haven’t been able to get into it since they changed it.
I have no experience with the turbo chop but if you keep your knifes from getting too bad a rounded edge on them it solves 95% of chopper bridging problems.
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Post by joru on Jul 14, 2024 20:12:48 GMT -6
Parts Doc is a gong show. I haven’t been able to get into it since they changed it. It took me 3 weeks of asking and a lot of emails between our Claas dealer and Claas Omaha and Claas Germany to get mine working. They had troubles to assign our account to our dealer. We had to create a "new" account and then they were able to do so after a few days.
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Post by SWMan on Jul 14, 2024 21:43:44 GMT -6
Keep the chopper blades sharp, especially when getting into light canola straw. My previous 780 got the updated chopper panel which I believe just changed the angle of drop above the blades there may be evidence on the paint that something was different there at one time?
80H chain works for the unload I believe, but who wants to oil chains all the time. Interesting about the timing thing, will have to check mine.
On the turbo-chop making sure the paddles are rotated side to side so they aren't back-swept gives a better spread, and tilting the tailboard lower actually spreads wider. Those paddles tend to get a curve in them over time.
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Post by meskie on Jul 14, 2024 22:51:58 GMT -6
Keep the chopper blades sharp, especially when getting into light canola straw. My previous 780 got the updated chopper panel which I believe just changed the angle of drop above the blades there may be evidence on the paint that something was different there at one time? 80H chain works for the unload I believe, but who wants to oil chains all the time. Interesting about the timing thing, will have to check mine. On the turbo-chop making sure the paddles are rotated side to side so they aren't back-swept gives a better spread, and tilting the tailboard lower actually spreads wider. Those paddles tend to get a curve in them over time. Our 780 Euro machine came with an auto chain oiler for the unload.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 15, 2024 6:20:14 GMT -6
I will see how a regular chain lasts for the unload, I handle a lot less bushels per year. Will put a standard 60 chain on clean grain, chain strength maybe more of a concern on a 780 in corn but less issue on a 740 doing 35 bu/ac peas.
Sales guy noted that chopper spread increases with tilting panel down more so will watch that. Knives wore about 1/4" off tips so will run them in peas then flip for rest of season.
Meskie, where did you get the service manual, order from dealer or is it accessible as free access through this Claas Connect system? I haven't looked into a service manual yet as first job is I need access to parts manual.
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Post by meskie on Jul 15, 2024 7:34:35 GMT -6
Dealer can get you a service manual. They used to give them out for free with every machine. It would likely be a digital copy these days. We don’t have one for our machines just looked at the dealer. If there is anything we need to look at they will send us the pages we need in a PDF or print them for us.
We only keep 60H chain in stock that’s why we put it on the clean grain elevator.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 17, 2024 6:33:11 GMT -6
I came across something that looks like a 5600 page service manual, electronic only as a guy would expect. Will look into what it takes to get one, not that I am going to do any major repair work but nice to be with vs without one if they are not too painful to get.
The unloading augers on my unit had the key ways of the 3 augers all pointing down at the 6 o'clock position when I took off old chain so put together that same way. If they are to be timed I am guessing that should do it.
8 hours sitting on top with air hose and piece of wire cleaning rad. Dynamic cooling may work well but it seems a guy still needs to do a proper cleaning more than once every 10 years.
One thing bugging me, clean grain elevator vibrates. There is a light mounted on a bracket attached to elevator at the bottom pointing to rear tire and it moves back and forth a 1/2" when running at idle. Had roller chain off bubble up auger drive, took v-belt off elevator drive and turned by hand. Nothing catching, but doesn't turn smooth, each time a link for paddle attachment engages sprocket it takes noticeably more effort to turn, then turns more free for another 4 inches or so of rotation. Sprockets look fine, not hooked, can see the wear point in tooth bottom and looks good. Can't find in operators manual how to assess chain wear. Hydraulic tensioner. 1150 threshing hrs. One full size connector link in chain.
Maybe it's normal for the elevator housing to vibrate?
Last thing, came across a chart for types of molybdenum grease reading through manuals, can't find it now. The variable drive sheaves say daily greasing and a guy should probably pay attention to what is used. I will talk with Claas and make sure I get something suitable, any better advice on what to use there.
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Post by meskie on Jul 17, 2024 7:11:10 GMT -6
We use the claas EP3 grease for our combines.
How much travel is left on the clean grain tensioner? If its close to the end of travel you might want to take out a half link. Never noticed ours vibrating before could there be some junk stuck in it somewhere that’s causing the issue?
dynamic cooling doesn’t work as good as they say at least for us. We give the rad a quick clean every day. On the spinner make sure the bearings are good and also there was a upgrade to it where you cut a bit off the one side to keep it from contacting the rad. The fan will flex it enough to contact.
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Post by SWMan on Jul 17, 2024 11:47:46 GMT -6
No it's not normal for it to vibrate, maybe a loose paddle or the baffle in the middle is loose? Another possible cause could be the inside of the bubble up auger could be dirty. Take the linkage off the bubble up auger while the hopper is open, then pivot it down to lower it and look inside the intake of the bubble up auger to see if it's built up with junk, if it is that will put a huge strain on the system.
I just have a dedicated grease gun with EP2/3 or whatever the latest Claas grease is for the combines.
On my 780's with dynamic cooling I can't ever remember having to clean them more than once a season, but the clean sweep or whatever it's called that was prior to dynamic cooling on my current machines we have to blow out daily if conditions are bad. Possible factor there could be I often ran solo with the 780's but now have two machines in the same field which is dirtier. The dynamic cooling is very nice.
If you have a link to the service manual please post it.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 17, 2024 20:36:46 GMT -6
Will look at top of elevator, haven't yet. Mainly wanted to know if it nature of the beast, fully serviced and no one noticed the elevator rattling away. Asked salesman and didn't get a response on whether they are supposed to run smooth so now I got something to go with. Elevator is spotless looking at bottom, problems are always on bottom it seems but will look up top. Maybe a bolt too long contacting a paddle.
Will ask service guy about assessing chain stretch with this hydraulic tensioner unit. Far from end of range as far as I can tell, but can't find any mention in manual on this.
SWMan, couldn't find that service manual again. It was on a Claas site, maybe Germany. I definitely wasn't on some internet cheap manuals site. I was poking around for a parts manual before I got my permission for Claas Connect (got that Monday).
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Post by kenmb on Jul 21, 2024 17:19:51 GMT -6
What APS grates should a guy have? First thing is peas to do, the smooth grates look kind of small slots and I would think the square bar would be more aggressive then needed. These are the two that came with the combine. There's a new Sunnybrook concave with the stock Claas cylinder. Will be doing peas, HRSW, swathed mustard and swathed flax this year. Think I should be buying some kind of APS grates, maybe the round bar for peas, or smooth and wide slot for peas. The square bars are getting rounded so maybe need replacing sometime too. I would think I would run those rest of season after peas are done but kind of a wide slot so maybe there's something better. Or use smooth and let the Sunnybrook concave do all the work.
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Post by SWMan on Jul 21, 2024 23:11:10 GMT -6
I use roundbar for peas, but either of those other two will do. Might prefer the keystock if the peas will not fit through those slots properly. As for wheat the keystock grates with disawning plates closed, unless it's really easy thresh or fighting rotor loss. Mustard the slotted ones and flax the keystock with disawning plates closed.
One thing I have found is to make sure the pinch point is set properly on the concave. It's supposed to be 7MM front and 4MM rear, but I always tell my mechanic to go 2MM on the back. First 780 I had was not set right and had almost an even gap front to back, and it had grain loss issues we just couldn't figure out. I also like to run a narrow concave clearance, even 10MM for crops like peas and canola, this closes the gap at the front of the APS grates and reduces chances of ingesting a rock by quite a bit. I have cut enormous amounts of pulses and we have lots of small stones, nothing of any consequence has gone through the machines but we have dumped tons out of the stone trap!
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Post by kenmb on Jul 22, 2024 7:11:01 GMT -6
It seems the basic principle of the APS is pre threshing vs pre seperation, is that how a guy approaches it? You choose an aps grate more so on loosening the grain from the plant vs removing the grain from path into the cylinder. Peas are perhaps the exception where the aim is to get some peas into the cleaning system rather than have them all pass through the cylinder.
The round bar seems to make most sense for peas, get some thresh action plus good space to get peas out of the crop mat. I suppose I will use the square bar this year and get an idea of what I am doing before buying something else.
I will measure the concave clearance, been checking a number of things per manual but nothing internal yet.
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Post by meskie on Jul 22, 2024 9:33:17 GMT -6
Swman are you still running 7mm on the front with the back set at 2mm?
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