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Post by meskie on Jan 29, 2024 16:40:28 GMT -6
Not sure how many acres you’re putting on the machine but our first 780 was doing 4500+ a year and the work orders through the shop were under $20,000. Prices have gone up on parts and labour over the years but generally the repair bulls have been around the $3/acre on the machine. Last couple have been less as the crop has been easier to put through.
For the first year I would have everything done at the shop. Let you get used to running it and see how things work. Lots of places to read how to fix and what needs to be looked at on those machines. I’ve fixed a lot of things on our over the years and they are generally easy to work on.
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Post by Oatking on Jan 29, 2024 16:48:46 GMT -6
You know Ken , repair budgets is what has changed the most in my farm over a 25 year period. It almost makes me sick adding up the repairs now a days while filling out my income tax. It never use to be that way. The modern day machines are all money pits! Terrible ! My old 946 and 85 brig are the only two that pull their weight around the farm consistently . They make the half million equipment look silly! Budget at least 15 a year for repairs . I bet you international was a good machine ! In ways , I do miss the jd 7720 ! Spending 1000 on that was a crazy amount !!!! But the even crazier amount is the new lease on a new machine !
Maybe watch out for weld cracks or sheet metal cracking .
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Post by kenmb on Jan 30, 2024 8:48:32 GMT -6
Same experience here Oat King, not used to having too large of repair bills. Although I have ben spending dollars getting ahead of things where as for many years it was always do just what is needed to make the machine run for the week. Have changed out a fair amount of parts that still have lots of life left with the idea it will be good for years now. I have to say we haven't seen much for tough times though vs when I was a kid so method of operating has changed. Around $35k for new tires on the 4wd but I would do all 8 as I plan to go with IF, in tough times that wouldn't even be considered, just put the back ones to the center axles and put 4 new ones on at about $10k total. So some of the repair/maintenance costs are self inflicted.
Anyway, I suspect getting dealer doing the full repair is likely the way to go. If I get the feeder chain put in, pan seals, maybe a couple belts get changed (main drive belts looks fine), then I suppose leaving $9000 or so on the table isn't the end of the world.
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Post by meskie on Jan 30, 2024 14:16:10 GMT -6
Doesn’t take long to eat up 9 grand in work. If the front drum bearings haven’t been changed recently I would suggest you do them with the feeder chain as well as the top shaft bearings.
Does this combine have the HP feeder house?
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Post by SWMan on Jan 30, 2024 18:59:27 GMT -6
I wouldn't worry about some repair bills, they are a 100% write-off. Buying a new combine/drill/tractor is, on the other hand, pretty hard to stomach these days.
Narrow body 700 series Claas combines represent some of the best value in harvesting power IMO. I bought two 2011 750's a few years back and 50K basically got me completely rebuilt guts: Feederhouse totally rebuilt, new sunnybrook concave/cylinder/impeller, new sieves and all bushings, bearings on all that, chopper rebuilt, aps grates, various belts and misc items. Put new tires on and power hopper toppers and for under 200K basically had new pre-emission machines that have been running great since. Those machines now have about 2900 separator hours on them.
Just bought a 2013 750TT with about half the sep hours for about 120K delivered to my yard, kind of insurance if it ever were to get wet. I'll probably put another 50K into this one max with the autosteer, hopper topper and rear tires. Don't see much downside to this approach if a guy has shed space and enough operators, doubt we would run three at once.
These combines are durable, easy to work on and have pretty big capacity. You will notice a big improvement from the rotary, especially in tough conditions. Just make sure if a 740 that it has the C13, which the vintage you are talking about does. Sometimes I wish I had the dynamic cooling, but blowing a rad out on a hot day isn't the end of the world.
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Post by kenmb on Jan 31, 2024 8:16:38 GMT -6
I had it in my mind that if the right 740 came up then I would likely take it. Wasn't too keen on buying a make work project as I need an extra pair of hands to really get into things so buying from a dealer was always part of my thinking. And I had decided I wanted the +2014 models (c68) with the C13, dynamic cooling and other such upgrades. So will get the dealer to do the inspection and work, $210,000 with no header and around 1160/1740 hours. While there is possibility for prices to come down more over the next year, when I consider this unit will have around $45,000 into it in two seasons then I don't think it is worth waiting for something even better. Time will tell. It's a big combine for me with 1600 ac but these days all used combines available are oversized for me.
John Deere is 3 miles away but they have been ticking off people, to the point of changing color. NH is gaining ground here and one JD guy went to NH but I would be running a claas 8 NH since anything smaller is darn hard to find. Gleaner crossed my mind, but zero experience with them. Ran two different Claas for about 15 years many years ago so seems like less of an unknown brand change to me, I read of guys and what they think of Claas build and can relate based on experience with those old machines we ran.
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Post by meskie on Jan 31, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -6
210 with the work orders from the last couple Years it sounds like a decent deal to me. Should be a good combine for 1600 acres.
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Post by kenmb on Feb 1, 2024 9:11:14 GMT -6
We will see, I appreciate you taking the time to post on the subject Meskie. This one should do me till retirement, if I switch it out it won't be a need, rather more of a treat. Ran the 2388 for 13 years and bought used with 1000 hours on it and still running fine so +13 years out of this should be little concern. And now that SWMan is posting again it will be nice to have some feedback there too on these smaller machines.
I called the dealer just before Christmas and the sales guy said he can do $200k serviced but I had 4 hours to decide because they were shutting down for an extended Christmas break the next day. Financing was 3.99% for December but that also was the last day since they were not around to sell combines till January. Now 5.99%
I wasn't prepared to buy something sight unseen. Yes I know I could have pushed harder for 200k however I feel better knowing the price has room to fix a few questionable things when they do the service on it.
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Post by kens on Feb 7, 2024 12:01:55 GMT -6
What about a trion. That woud get you the new cab smell. I wonder if it would be under $450 cad.
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Post by kenmb on Feb 7, 2024 15:37:44 GMT -6
Thought I saw US$470 mentioned on one of the forums but it could be $570k for as good as my memory is these days for useless bits of info.
Couple interesting numbers here. Claas finance guy said I can do 1.99 %for 18 months or 2.99% for 24. A few hours earlier it was 0.99/1.99 but he called back to say he looked at the wrong column. My guess is the lower rate is for new units. Don't have my paperwork yet but said I would take the 24 month. I don't do anything with financing so was quite surprised to hear these rates.
Looking at some of dad's tax returns and see he paid $145k for the 2388 in 2010. 2003 model with around 1000 rotor hours and a pickup head, dealer did some degree of service before delivery to us. Lets say $230k for the Claas serviced and delivered with pickup head, the Claas is a much different/bigger machine, more options added over base unit, tracks, and of course a tiny refrigerator. I suppose a good indication that Claas inst holding its value but if you aren't farming for the banker then it doesn't matter much.
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Post by meskie on Feb 7, 2024 15:50:22 GMT -6
Claas wide body seems to hold their value about the same as the others these days. The narrow body machines not so much as there is a limited market for them. They are a lot less when buying new so maybe percentage wise they aren’t much different between wide/narrow body machines. Sales guys always said tracks are about $70,000 premium from tires when comparing used machines.
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Post by Oatking on Feb 7, 2024 16:09:10 GMT -6
Thought I saw US$470 mentioned on one of the forums but it could be $570k for as good as my memory is these days for useless bits of info. Couple interesting numbers here. Claas finance guy said I can do 1.99 %for 18 months or 2.99% for 24. A few hours earlier it was 0.99/1.99 but he called back to say he looked at the wrong column. My guess is the lower rate is for new units. Don't have my paperwork yet but said I would take the 24 month. I don't do anything with financing so was quite surprised to hear these rates. Looking at some of dad's tax returns and see he paid $145k for the 2388 in 2010. 2003 model with around 1000 rotor hours and a pickup head, dealer did some degree of service before delivery to us. Lets say $230k for the Claas serviced and delivered with pickup head, the Claas is a much different/bigger machine, more options added over base unit, tracks, and of course a tiny refrigerator. I suppose a good indication that Claas inst holding its value but if you aren't farming for the banker then it doesn't matter much. So Kenmb , you did end up pulling the trigger and said “I’ll take it “!!!! I like the idea of that claas trion but I don’t think it will be popular on the prairies . Looks more like a European or eastern United States or maybe Ontario . Kinda nice a company is building a smaller machine for the small farm . Are you keeping the 2388 ?
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Post by kenmb on Feb 8, 2024 7:23:59 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying Meskie about comparing dollar values between Claas models, I was thinking more about what would give a guy more bang for his buck - a 2388 at $145k or a 740tt at $230k. While I said depreciation and not holding its value (ie banker talk) I was thinking more along the lines of more machine for the dollar. Keeping in mind the massive currency devaluation we have seen since 2010 then I find it a really interesting comparison. My comment was more about how people would perceive it. To really know I would need to know new pricing but I am not buying new so not really relevant, it's more interesting to compare bang for the buck between now and 13 years ago.
The track option is pricey when new yet the used Tera tracks don't command a dollar more vs tires. Tires are simple, so there is that advantage but it seems a lot of machines don't put enough rubber under them. Enough rubber for dryland conditions but not nearly enough when harvest is not dry. Like the idea of tracks so will have to see how it works out. Yes, serviceability is way better with tracks. Running a rotary machine one does not really appreciate it due to layout of drives, but for the Claas then yes, it is easy to understand what increased ease of serviceability means.
Yes Oatking, signed the papers. Keeping the 2388, one reason why the shed went up. They aren't worth anything in trade but worth every dollar if a guy has need to put it to use. I can't see there ever being two machines in the field at once, 2388 just there so I don't have to stress out if I have a major failure of some kind.
Claas has lots of smaller machine designs, we just don't see them over here. Same with JD. Case builds class 5 and 6 machines but we don't see them here, more of them in the US. Although perhaps not many small brand new Case units sold these days - I am thinking of 10 year old units available.
Claas finance rate is 7.34% right now, so the loan moves to that rate after the 24 months and is a 5 year total. Just another curious thing since I don't shop equipment to see how this stuff plays out. 7.34% is listed but you can likely get 1.99% for a couple years if buying new or finance larger amount. I suspect we will see more of this from all big corporations in next little while. Interest rates may be up but corporations will finance for lower to move equipment.
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Post by Oatking on Feb 8, 2024 8:43:01 GMT -6
Smart to have a back up combine . Can’t remember if you stated but what kind of header did you pick and are you still using a pick up header .
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Post by kenmb on Feb 9, 2024 10:01:52 GMT -6
They did the inspection already and came up with $34k of work without doing feeder house work like chain and gears. Some stuff nice to see on quote like pulling rotors and doing bearings, some sieve bushings showing cracked rubber. Surprised to see hopper bubble up auger recommended replacing at $3800 total. Lots of little $300 to $600 items not too critical.
One thing I would like some feedback is the cylinder. Stock Claas enclosed unit. Inspection said some vibration at higher rpm and pulley run out noted. So possible bent shaft or such. Any thoughts? I don't know how these things are built so perhaps there is a tweaked shaft or perhaps something external to cylinder. Can get a Sunnybrook put in. Wasn't on my list of mods but see they use a staggered rasp bar design and can see that may be a good idea. At 1150 threshing hours perhaps it is good to put a new cylinder in? If costs can be split with dealer I wouldn't mind that. Right now they priced putting a used cylinder in. Probably have a few kicking around from Sunnybrook upgrades.
Oatking, I talked with a guy with a 36 ft Honeybee a month ago and need to follow up now that I actually need a header. Yes, I want a pickup header, swathing mustard makes for an easier life. Glyphosate preharvest not allowed so we went from swathing to waiting for a killing frost to straight cut. While that works ok, I feel better having crop in bin in early October vs often waiting weeks more. Swathing flax is nice to have an option also. Weedy slough areas I am in habit of swathing and straight cut the weed free areas. Not a big deal to drive a mile from the farm and straight cut the rest of a field I combined swaths on a week earlier.
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