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Post by meskie on Oct 1, 2023 15:28:40 GMT -6
Does Claas have hopper extensions? Looks like the biggest they have is about 385 bushels, ours CR has I think 410. Asking for a friend. 385 water level everybody else measures heaped….. new ones are 425 and up to 500 I think. Our 780tt with the 385bu hopper holds 425-460bu. |
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Post by kenmb on Jan 27, 2024 8:55:44 GMT -6
Looked at a 740tt in Regina that would fit what I am looking for. 2015 with 1300 seperator hours. Spent its life in the area and been through the Claas dealer about 6 times, last year was around $20,000 of work for basic stuff. Got a Sunnybrook concave last year, rest is stock. Tm6 sieves. Auto grease.
Has the automation with Crusie pilot and auto seperation but not the one with grain quality camera. I beleive guys say the automation works well on Claas so probably a desirable feature, is that true? There is a 2015 wheeled one there also with no automation, a few more threshing hours so less money.
When checking grain quality for cracks, how do you guys do it? Seems like a dumb question but coming from machines where I just reach over the hopper and grab a sample, how do you guys check when making changes going through the field. There is that sample port by the platform but once you have a 3rd of a hopper or whatever it seems the next opportunity is when the hopper is full, and then you need to pretty much climb a ladder to get up there or dump on the truck and go look. This is likely no different then all machines these days, just something I never thought of before.
With lateral tilt, is there any advantage to making it operational if running a Honeybee header. The HB floats on the leaf springs but wondering if equipping the header with whatever height sensing devices the Claas header use would be worth while. No different than Macdon, do you run the feeder house level and let the header do its thing or use some kind of auto sensing to aid the header adapter to follow ground.
Didnt pull covers off, figure dealer can give it an inspection before taking it home. If anything is noticeably damaged then can revisit it before signing the papers. With that many dealer inspections in its life I wouldn't expect any surprises unless the last few days it got a rock in it and dealer doesn't know. Still had straw packed in when opened the stone trap so can be sure dealer isn't aware themselves if something is really damaged.
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Post by meskie on Jan 27, 2024 12:32:52 GMT -6
Automation does work pretty good on a claas most of the time. After running a lexion for a few years I’m not sure if it’s necessary. In variable crops the last couple of years it always tries to adjust at the wrong time so we have been shutting it off and running manual. In relatively even crops it works far better. Cruise pilot I wouldn’t go without.
For cracks there is a spot just outside the cab door to grab a sample. The window into the hopper works pretty decent to see the grain coming in to the hopper. You can also see the returns from the cab down on the back right hand corner.
We always just use the manual lateral tilt never had it automatic. We run macdon headers and that works for us. Not sure if you could do it in a honeybee besides getting headsight
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Post by kenmb on Jan 28, 2024 9:45:23 GMT -6
That's my thinking on the automation, I envision wearing out parts as automation is changing with every hill and low spot that the machine covers and crop varies. But would help with initial understanding of the machine. And Cruise Pilot would be the biggest help for the variation in crop density from high to low ground.
I will need to look at that sample port by the cab again, didn't pay much attention. I had thought it would stop being useable once hopper is a third full or whatever but perhaps there is some technology in it.
Didnt go look at any Case combines but just looking at listed prices the Claas isn't the more expensive option. With Case i still need to buy different headers since there is no adapters that I can find to fit 2388 headers onto a combine newer than a 7088 so may as well change brands. Spoke with Case service in November again about getting the Stx 4wd in for a service and their method of operation is they won't put it on the books unless it is on their lot. So get there in November and leave it sit till spring when they get around to it. Been there and done that, not doing it again. Spent some time on it here and have a mobile mechanic coming to do the valve/injector set and anything else he can think of here in my shop. Not impressed with Case (Young's Equipment) business structure, so hoping Claas is different.
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Post by meskie on Jan 28, 2024 10:18:38 GMT -6
I wouldn’t worry about automation wearing parts more than not. Ran our 780 to close to 3000 hours with automation with no more then normal wear. With it constantly adjusting it might be better for it as it’s not in one spot all the time.
Once the hopper is 1/2 full the sample door wouldn’t change.
Claas has been real good for us to work with but ever dealer is different. If the dealer wasn’t good we wouldn’t be running a claas likely.
Claas has an app for your phone that basically uses the cemos auto dialog and thinking. You put your setting in and tell it what you want to change and it gives you suggestions and if it worked. If not it has other settings to change.
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Post by kenmb on Jan 28, 2024 13:13:23 GMT -6
Up till two years ago I didn't put service as too high of a issue. Running older machines I think has me less reliant on dealer tech support. As I am getting older I am more inclined to have someone else do some of the tougher work, plus machines are getting bigger and more expensive if something fails prematurely because I missed something that a dealer tech may not have. And now machines on the farm are getting newer simply because 15 year old stuff already has lots of tech on it. But these guys at Young's are changing my previous views, and it's not the techs, I don't have an issue with that. It's the management that has my combine sitting on lot in June and then they are servicing it when it should be in the field. That's not a service issue but a management issue and that won't change anytime soon. It will change when I run 3 combines, 3 main tractors and a sprayer, but that isn't going to happen. Claas business is based around guys running one, two or three machines so should see a different management philosophy. And if my assessment of business models isn't too far off then a guy should see the same from all Claas dealers. Only one way to find out though.
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Post by Oatking on Jan 28, 2024 13:28:21 GMT -6
Make the leap Ken! If I didn’t have three green dealers in my backyard I would consider 740!
I am embarrassed to say I have kept my 2005 9760 jd and for 19 years old this combine works great . Really not a huge reduction in capacity over my s680 . I would say the 680 is 1.5 times bigger but we don’t push either to the max so it’s a fair comparison .
I don’t care what colour a guy runs . Dealer support is everything .
Hard to believe my 9760 has only had two breakdowns over 19 years where I lost one day of threshing !
That was a fire and an electrical issue on the back end above the fuel tank .
Every year I get it green lighted . This year it is fresh off a 13500 service inspection .
14000 for a combine to take off a million or more in grain is a good deal .
Ken. , in your farm area are you leaning to tracks or tires ?
Have you thought of straight headers and what size of door you need for your shop ?
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Post by meskie on Jan 28, 2024 14:30:24 GMT -6
There are a few X9s on the claas lots because of the dealer they came from so even buying brand new machines doesn’t always get you the service and support you need.
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Post by Oatking on Jan 28, 2024 17:12:08 GMT -6
There are a few X9s on the claas lots because of the dealer they came from so even buying brand new machines doesn’t always get you the service and support you need. I wonder if that is the game the farms play to trade off after one year if they can’t make the payments ! Maybe not so . |
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Post by meskie on Jan 28, 2024 17:45:57 GMT -6
There are a few X9s on the claas lots because of the dealer they came from so even buying brand new machines doesn’t always get you the service and support you need. I wonder if that is the game the farms play to trade off after one year if they can’t make the payments ! Maybe not so . Some of them absolutely. The claas dealers were getting calls 1/2 way through harvest last year to trade X9s. They were claas guys but had the too good to not take the X9 deal that mother deere offered. |
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Post by kens on Jan 29, 2024 5:09:54 GMT -6
Thinking the same about the hours. There is one in Regina, 2016 740tt in around 1500 sep hours at $290k. When we bought our first claas in 15, a 760 we paid around 460. But they where trying to sell us a 740 as they had lots of 14s still at the factory. Pretty sure they'd have sold us one for around 290-300 with discounts. If they are asking 290 for one with 1500 hours that is some cheap operating hours for the previous owner. |
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Post by meskie on Jan 29, 2024 7:32:04 GMT -6
15+ machines would have a lot of updates in them compared to the older machines. The 14s at the factory would have been blowout pricing.
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Post by kenmb on Jan 29, 2024 8:45:40 GMT -6
As I told the salesman, I don't like buying a combine, I don't even want to, but at some point I need to. My biggest dilemma is what to by. The 2388 has treated me well and really have no need for something else other than its 20 years old. And I can certainly buy another one, just about did exactly that last fall but the guy had the shaker pan system break while using it and that gave me time to re-evaluate. So started thinking of going newer/different, and my recent experience with service pushed me more towards the "different" avenue.
The 740 is a much bigger combine than I need, a class 7 is big, and the 740 is a big class 7. Thinking 36ft header and have talked to a guy with a HB. I am familiar with them, I can make a HB work just fine. At 36 ft I may have problems on some rolling ground but the little I miss with a 30ft should not jump up exponentially at 36ft but have to try to find out. Flexi float lifters on the ends is my thinking to try and see how that works. A 740 can run 40ft but at that point I really need to look at Macdon.
Would like to try tracks. I have posted pictures of my ground that is absolutely compaction issues. True at harvest the ground is expected to be drier and so compaction less of an issue but still always to expect some low areas that are wet. The 4wd will get IF tires for sure, and due for replacement any time. My only concern with tracks is turning because i do lots of it. Have to try to find out.
I suspect any service related issues on X9s is more from mother Deere than local dealers. I would guess teething problems, design issues, lack of parts or lack of experience solving issues. All stuff I wouldn't really hold a local tech accountable for but stuff that can't easily be solved by hanging on to the machine either. As usual, a guy would have to know the real story why a basically new machine is on another brands lot. It baffles me how a farm manager can switch between entirely different design principles in a season. Well no, it doesn't actually, these decisions are not based on design points or performance or any other such aspect as how to a guy assess what choice is best - it is most likely dollars. And so speculating on why a guy goes to or away from a X9 in a year is likely less to do with service. But again, just guessing. Unless a manager actually thinks 0-10% more capacity without any clue as to how well it will actually perform in regards to productive hours is good business sense.
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Post by meskie on Jan 29, 2024 11:20:54 GMT -6
Tracks make a lexion combine far easier to service than tires they ride better and you have better control of your header. They will be more complex and could be more money to service every year compared to a case which is a relatively simple machine. If the machine has gone through the shop every year and parts replaced as required it shouldn’t be too much to keep up every year. Getting to that 1500 hour mark there could be some big ticket things that might need to be done soon if they haven’t already.
From what I have been told by a very reliable Sorce it’s absolutely the dealer that is the problem with the X9s. Too much construction mentality from one dealer network that bought out cervus a couple years ago. I also think Deere sold too many X9s too soon to have enough people to work out the problems. They were overhyped and under performed also.
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Post by kenmb on Jan 29, 2024 15:54:44 GMT -6
Yeah, I can see what you mean about a dealer being an issue. My issue is not with Case but rather and how the dealer operates.
So I can do the deal on the 740 two ways. Buy it fully inspected and serviced which means all things done, or buy it inspected then I fix what needs done. Had a $30,000 work order last year that I have in front of me, mentions things like variable speed pulleys rebuilt, engine valves set, APs rebuilt (some standoffs were cracked/bent), then a bunch of smaller line items. There is mention the prepan seal is cracking and should be replaced - I had seen mention before of a pan seal that is a wear item and rather a bugger to replace so this may be it. Also feeder chain had some links pulled so maybe time for new chains, shop recommended replacement last year but customer said pull links.
I suppose at 1200 threshing hours it could need some more work, but a guy has to weigh against it already having some known work done. I am thinking I don't mind doing some work myself to get familiar with the machine, on the other hand there is value to having all things fixed and then I deal with whatever comes next.
Would a guy gamble with $19,000 different pricing? I would likely be putting in $6000 if the seals get done and feeder chains, so probably not saving $19,000 when it all shakes out. With the 2388, if I put $20k or $30k into it then it is good for 4 or 5 years, but perhaps the Claas can eat up $15k a year in wear stuff. Wondering what guys think.
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