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Post by kenmb on Apr 15, 2023 13:41:52 GMT -6
This summer it's either pick up another 2388 and keep running them for a few more years or move up to something newer. Tax numbers says this year will be one to spend a few dollars otherwise government will take it away. So either I am looking for a class 7 Case, NH of Claas. Don't mind getting away from Case single rotor for the mustard and flax. Peas, wheat and barley the 2388 is working fine. It's actually doing a really nice job in flax and mustard with a fair amount of aftermarket internals. But if moving to a Case flagship then I will just go totally different. We ran Claas from 1980 to around 1996 so some comfort level already.
So there are a number of 740TT on the market, 2011 to 2015 with around 1500 seperator hours would be fine. The tracks seem like a nice option on our land. When it's wet a guy can drop through the 6" of topsoil into water saturated clay that is basically like pudding. Given a choice between duals and TT I think the tracks would be worthwhile. And since of these units come with 800s or 900s then definitely be looking at a TT since the 800s on a 2388 are too small already.
How is the TT for turning? In pot hole country the 1/2 mile runs are pretty rare. Lots of turns around sloughs and bushes, triangles to combine. Does a guy drive different with a TT vs a wheeled machine?
Looks like the Cat C9 was in the early ones and I seen some with C13 in later years. Where there many significant production changes to watch for? Prices seem all over the map on these things for similar hours. Somewhere from $150,000 to $350,000. The $150,000 number seems more appropriate looking at a comparable Case. I have no idea how much the CEMOS or other options adds to a Claas vs a basic Case though.
Might go look at one or two before seeding gets going to give me something to think about while in the tractor.
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Post by meskie on Apr 15, 2023 15:29:21 GMT -6
The claas wont turn like a case but they aren’t bad in pot hole country. We don’t have many fields that are 1/2 mile runs. And get by fine with the wide body machines.
Wasn’t many changes to them till they got the dynamic cooling that’s when the cemos auto would have been added. Not worth much extra for it in my opinion.
Local dealer has a 740TT they have been sitting on for a while. Has had a big work order on it also.
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Post by kenmb on Apr 16, 2023 11:34:02 GMT -6
Is that the one in Kinistino?
Yes, don't think cemos is much use to me. I can get by making setting changes myself, and if I throw a little extra out the back then I won't loose any sleep over it.
Is there a place to finds specs or brochures? All I have found so far is a German brochure and some very crude listing of specs. Looks to me that the 740 and 750 use a little shorter cylinder than 760 but can't make much else out of the German brochure. Guessing the rotors are the same and so they just narrow the body. Maybe rotors are smaller diameter also, can't tell from German wording.
Looking at nameplates i see the first few years are model c48 then around 2014 they are c68. So some kind of changes made to add technology i guess to create a new build.
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Post by meskie on Apr 16, 2023 12:48:34 GMT -6
Yes that would be in kinistino.
Narrow body uses a narrower aps/ cylinder / impeller but I’m sure the rotors are the same as the bigger machines.
Serial number change is when they went to dynamic cooling where the rad is mounted horizontal behind the engine instead the traditional position beside it. Should be another serial number change around 2016 I think it’s C78 when they added a few more features like auto stop. (Shuts your feeder house off when it senses slip on your drives).
Not sure about finding the old brochures on line. I would imagine a dealer might have a few kicking around.
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Post by kenmb on Apr 17, 2023 8:47:33 GMT -6
Found the brochures, I don't use google as default browser but once I switched to Google I found a few.
I see that dynamic cooling is quite a change in concept, that's probably when the C13 went in also.
Rotors are same diameter and length on all models.
Watched a couple videos of a TT turning and didn't see any real problem with ridging or scraping. I don't turn too short to begin with so don't think tracks would take too much getting used to. Duals wouldn't be too bad either, just not 900 singles. Tracks would be preferred though now that I see all the compaction problems we have on our land and am starting to deal with them.
Will need to think on this and see what makes sense from a financial planning aspect. Thinking I might be better off looking at a 2014 or newer and keep it for many years. Pay more now but have the better machine. Looks like trade in on a +15 year old machine is not likely with all the new iron sold the last 12 years showing up at dealers.
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Post by meskie on Apr 17, 2023 10:03:01 GMT -6
The tracks will burm a bit while turning but no worse than a dual tire combine.
If you get a 740 with the c13 it would be real easy to program more power into it and get it to 750 specs or higher if you wanted. I have never run a narrow body machine but have been running and fixing the wide body’s for a few years so if you got any more questions just ask.
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Post by meskie on Apr 17, 2023 10:08:32 GMT -6
If the machine hasn’t had a big work order on it by the 13-1500 hour mark expect to pay for some reconditioning of it. That seems to be where the machines need wear parts put in.
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Post by kenmb on Apr 17, 2023 17:15:25 GMT -6
Thinking the same about the hours. There is one in Regina, 2016 740tt in around 1500 sep hours at $290k. One of the questions would be if it had a good overhaul at that price point. Talking with my accountant / tax planner and looks like I will revisit this in summer, no hurry right now. Get the crop in the ground and see how things look and grain prices. Accountant says there is an accelerated depreciation program still in place for 2024. That program is what got me thinking about this idea of upgrading. Good old government, when interest rates are cheap and blowing massive bubbles they decide to make it even more attractive to blow money.
A 740 would be plenty big for me. The 2388 does fine for 1600 ac with about 170 hrs a year put on it, a bigger hopper would be nice. No bigger than 35' head needed. Too big of combine means a change in everything else to move grain off the field and that isn't going to happen. Most of the time I am doing it all. Newer class 6 are pretty much non existent and even class 7 are getting harder to find. The 740tt seems like a nice machine, I just need to do more learning about them to see for sure. My Case dealer screwed me over last fall so Case is off the table.
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Post by garyfunk on Apr 18, 2023 20:04:05 GMT -6
If the machine hasn’t had a big work order on it by the 13-1500 hour mark expect to pay for some reconditioning of it. That seems to be where the machines need wear parts put in. Ya, might also be looking at drive pulleys, major belts, feeder chain, elevator chains/sprockets. Should be able to get 100 to 200 hr warranty if buying from a dealership. But I'd be looking close at an inspection sheet and any work orders done in last couple years. One thing you'll notice coming from a 88 is how much heavier the metal is on the Claas.
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Post by garyfunk on Sept 25, 2023 21:21:57 GMT -6
Hey kenmb, thought I'd reply here seeing as this thread is one you started about your combine options.
We've ran a 670 with the c9 engine since '17. Can't beat the fuel economy and it really isn't that complicated but we had come from a jd 9600 and a 9610 so walker machines too. It couldn't replace those but when we added a grain cart it did. But being a walker it still was very hard to get any speed when doing barley, add sticky straw and it's almost impossible to shake the grain out. We were forced to get a little too fast at the cylinder trying to knock the grain onto the grain pan before it got carried to the walkers. Of course that's not good for cracking and really not good if trying for malt. So last fall we looked into finding a 760 and for not much more we ended up with a 780tt. It's a beast in barley. It wasn't too hard to grasp the principles that it uses for separation. And the shoe is basically the same as the 670's. It does have a better fan and it has the tm6 sieves which our 670 doesn't. We tried to sell the 670, but with what we've put into it no one seemed interested in what we were asking. In the end we used only the 780tt in barley and we took out the 670 to help in the canola. We don't like growing a crop to throw it out the back of the combine so we limit our speed to .25 to .5bu loss in canola and to less than 2% loss in barley (lots of panning). That meant around 2mph for the 670 in canola and 3.4mph for the 780tt. In barley the 780tt was going 3.7mph in a 30ft swath. This yr barley ran 100+ and canola was right around 50. And as for fuel usage the 670 averaged .06l/bushel in '22, the 780tt averaged .07l/bu this yr. So less than ten cents.
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Post by kenmb on Sept 27, 2023 8:23:39 GMT -6
The "for not much more" comment is on my mind also. Lots more 760s out there than narrow body. 30 and 40 years ago Claas was a better choice because they had notably longer walkers than north American built units, New Holland was similar. European designs tended to deal with more straw and seperation of small grains vs north American requirements. Along came rotor threshing and then came conventional threshing with rotor seperation (like the Claas 116CS of the mid 80s) and now the Lexion with a different take on the CS models. Each has its points.
I think a rotor design of some kind is a good fit for me based on my weather and types of crops/yields. Whether it is a hybrid Claas or perhaps a New Holland CR. I suspect the Claas 670 is a better fit the further north a guy goes based on the fundamentals of its design.
Fuel economy is something I can't track, may have dumped on the go about four times this year vs driving 1/3 mile to unload at truck about 10 times and many times driving shorter distances. Can't be fuel efficient driving across a field to unload at parked truck.
I still have lots to think on. The 2388 treated me well again, about 180 threshing hours for 1600 acres because of lots of farting around due to sloughs, wild mustard patches, grasshopper damage, no full time truck driver, etc so in a normal year can be more efficient. Just a fan belt and tensioner and changed a few chains. Basically 3 hours of downtime, no downtime for header repairs. If my Case dealer didn't screw me around I probably would be buying another one but since they made it pretty clear where a single operator sits in their business plan then would be kind of dumb for me to do that again.
So still thinking Claas, probably a rotor vs walker simply because the basic principles seem to fit my farm. No Gleaners around so don't think I will go down that road. New Holland is an option, would be into a class 8 or 9 because class 7 pretty much don't exist, same with case. And so I come back to "for not much more", I can look at a class 8 or 9.
Really tempting to buy another 2388, keep looking at ads though I shouldn't, now seems the time to bite the bullet and go a different route.
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Post by meskie on Sept 27, 2023 11:07:24 GMT -6
The claas 670 is exactly the same machine as a wide body till after the cylinder. Where they use rotors for separation instead of walkers. In really dry straw canola I’ve been told the walkers are better as they don’t break straw up and over load the sieves as much. Didn’t have a chance to test that theory this year. The hybrid claas machines are more expensive to run for repairs and maintenance. More moving parts on them. You would also have more choices on machines to find one you like.
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Post by kenmb on Sept 28, 2023 8:55:16 GMT -6
That's a good point about keeping straw intact with the 670 to improve sieve performance. This year I had all 3 limitations with the 2388 which is new for me, power limit in wheat, chaffer/sieve overloading in swathed mustard and rotor loss in flax. Usually it is a combination of factors that come into play but this year was distinctly one or another. In theory the walker machine may have less limitations in the mustard and flax given same conditions and power wouldn't be an issue either.
So will think more on the walker machine.
One thing about the rotor units is it is impossible to damage grain. I mean if operating it remotely in the area of decent performance then rotor speed and concave position is a non issue for grain damage. Looking at a handful grain in the hopper for threshing damage is something that is not needed. How are the Claas units for sensitivity to adjustment for grain damage? The assumption being it is set good to begin with. If you make adjustments during the day do you ever come close to damaging grain? The question comes because the APS is something different and so if it is working well I would think grain damage is less of an issue compared to past conventional combines. Cracked wheat wasn't too hard to avoid in days gone by, peeled barley was a bit more sensitive to changes through the day if I remember right.
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Post by meskie on Sept 28, 2023 11:52:00 GMT -6
Grain damage is still a concern with a claas but there is a lot more adjustments on them to avoid it and still do a good job of threshing. That’s the one thing I’ve found with our machines is you can adjust it to just about every condition while harvesting. Once you figure out how they work and what changing one setting will do
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Post by kevlar on Oct 1, 2023 15:08:40 GMT -6
Does Claas have hopper extensions? Looks like the biggest they have is about 385 bushels, ours CR has I think 410. Asking for a friend.
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