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Post by northernfarmer on Feb 12, 2024 22:50:40 GMT -6
I had thought of that also as per possible issues with the drive train but they certainly do have the two speed transfer case with the standard diff ratio available. Hard to say what their reasoning is, if its mechanical or just cost cutting and that they think the consumer won't notice and I imagine they realize a lot of 1/2 ton crew cab pickups get used as as a "car" and never even pull anything.
I've used 4 low various times in pickups that have it, everything from pulling a trailer that sunk down some from the spot it was parked to just needing the torque to move the load ... under powered gas engines as I never had a high torque diesel to work with. Newer automatics in trucks have a lower first gear ratio and I can see with a high torque output at low rpm diesel having far more torque to get weight rolling over an older gas engine that falls flat on its face, certainly with a standard trans on top of it. And not that I have been doing that but the theme of pulling sleds in a trailer to some locations where one pretty much has to chain up the truck to get in and out, or pulling same type of trailer with quads on muddy gravel roads to destinations. That is where a truck that can actually fit real tire chains comes in and for years now a F150 with stock backspaced wheels can't fit chains due to the rear shocks so close to the sidewall of the tires or the front suspension also very close to the tire sidewall. Fords answer is buy a Super Duty as the F150 won't work. Once in a while I am using 4 low in a farm pickup just to get to the tractor in the field in the fall to fuel up in shit conditions. I've also used 4 low extensively years back on trips I took to Colorado in the outback on mountain 4x4 trails.
I have never measured the clearance on a GM 1/2 ton vs an HD but it stands to reason I think ... if the seat height is higher and the top of the cab height ( according to the GM info ) is 5 1/2 inches higher, there should be more clearance. The tire size difference would be a small part of that but the rest taken up in suspension although frame depth would be a factor, so yes its a good question for sure. When I compare our old Ford 3/4 ton to a half ton GM, its night and day different as to crawling around under it for servicing.
Kevlar, your pickup is newer than the Ford examples I have in front of me that my brother has but the interesting thing is that his 1 ton has completely different seats than his F150 and both are King Ranch with leather, the half ton a couple of years newer. He is not impressed at all with the F150 seats and I have not been either when have ridden or driven it, however the 1 ton seats are way different and the most comfortable seat he has ever owned.
I haven't looked at all the trim levels on the Ford site or Ram for that matter but I know with GM as you go up in trim level they don't even have the bench seat as an option, center console only and GM half tons have the electronic console shift lever integrated into the console. I would have a hard time getting used to the Ram knob on the dash to shift, I like either column or console shifter.
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Post by northernfarmer on Feb 12, 2024 23:05:11 GMT -6
I've always been a Chevy guy but I bought an f150 this time for the aluminum body. Seems like vehicles are just a hole to dump money down but at least this way at least it still looks good, always felt stupid dumping money into a rusted out pile. See 5 year old Chevy's with rust bubbles and that would make me sick. I have really come to like the ford super crew cab as well, it has 6 actually comfy seats, or can fit a ton of stuff in the back that can stay locked up and dust free with the seats up. I actually don't use the box much with this truck other then for oily stuff because how much fits inside. What engine and box length did you go with. I am only guessing that its not one of the high trim level trucks given the bench seat ?. Yes I agree that be it the pre aluminum Fords, the GM that are not all that old ( in my world that is ) or the Ram, rear fenders around the wheel well rusted right through and front ones starting that process. I saw a Ram a while back that my god was a mess it was, I didn't think it was all that old but the massive amount of fender metal that was missing front and rear was unreal. The problem is they spread calcium around here on the hill grades, I think they also mix in a percentage of calcium for roads in general but to see a hill grade completely wet at a very cold temp screams calcium. That crap will kill a vehicle in short order and also rust through the frame and every component on a vehicle. |
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Post by meskie on Feb 12, 2024 23:06:37 GMT -6
In the SLT trim in GMC trucks you can still get the leather bench seat if you wanted. SLE trim you can get the cloth bench.
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Post by bob123 on Feb 12, 2024 23:11:04 GMT -6
I haven't looked at all the trim levels on the Ford site or Ram for that matter but I know with GM as you go up in trim level they don't even have the bench seat as an option, center console only and GM half tons have the electronic console shift lever integrated into the console. I would have a hard time getting used to the Ram knob on the dash to shift, I like either column or console shifter.
I've never understood why everybody is so thrilled with those giant center consoles for an automatic transmission. That's where a gal is supposed to sit but I guess everyone is gay now adays anyway. Took a bunch of searching to find a decent truck with a bench seat |
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Post by bob123 on Feb 12, 2024 23:18:22 GMT -6
What engine and box length did you go with. I am only guessing that its not one of the high trim level trucks given the bench seat ?. Yes I agree that be it the pre aluminum Fords, the GM that are not all that old ( in my world that is ) or the Ram, rear fenders around the wheel well rusted right through and front ones starting that process. I saw a Ram a while back that my god was a mess it was, I didn't think it was all that old but the massive amount of fender metal that was missing front and rear was unreal. The problem is they spread calcium around here on the hill grades, I think they also mix in a percentage of calcium for roads in general but to see a hill grade completely wet at a very cold temp screams calcium. That crap will kill a vehicle in short order and also rust through the frame and every component on a vehicle. I've got the 3.5 na and shortbed, XLT trim. I've been very impressed with engine, it does 10L/100 crusing, and I towed a 40ft FD70 800kms this fall and it handled it well. I would have really liked a 6.5 bed but there where none available within $10k of this one, and I really wanted a bright blue not just a fleet white so that limited options alot. |
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Post by northernfarmer on Feb 13, 2024 0:01:18 GMT -6
Meskie I see what you mean there with the seat options and it appears that an SLE can get heated bench seats front and rear along with steering wheel heat, all with the cloth theme. However what is missing is cooled seats and the 10 way passenger seat. Then going the SLT theme one can have a leather bench front seat but I believe if one wants any heating and certainly cooling features then it automatically kicks one to the bucket seats and console ( not that I mind that at all, it has its good and bad for sure ). I think then that the SLT has 10 way seat on the passenger as well. I see the SLE has a heated rear window option ... they make it and yet can't get it on a truck with other options, I find it very frustrating !. One thing that has been a total scam for years is them calling it leather, its shit that they refer to as leather in a majority of these trucks. Having said that I believe the Denali Ultimate has real leather and I know my brothers older Ford King Ranch trucks are again real leather as one does not sweat on those much if at all as they breathe.
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Post by SWMan on Feb 13, 2024 0:15:58 GMT -6
I have two Super-Duty trucks(2015 and 2016) with the 6.7L diesel engine and almost 400,000km between them with zero engine or transmission issues so far. I do filter my fuel here and have been regular with fuel filter replacements. Not sure if I should be concerned about the CP4 pumps on there or not...
The truck that I drive most and regularly overload and over-tow has had several sets of brakes and the front end rebuilt a couple of times now. No def sensors or anything, I'm knocking on the desk as I type this...ha ha
I've run chevy and Dodge trucks before too, and we currently have a 2021 Suburban with the 3.0L diesel. I do like that engine but it has been in the shop more than a few times with sensor issues, especially early on. There is no fuel cap as Oatking mentioned which makes it impossible to keep fuel clean when driving gravel. I stuffed rags in there for awhile and found an aftermarket 3D printed fuel cap that seems to work pretty good. The wipers on the chevy are below the interior part of the windshield which makes them prone to freezing in winter. What really irritates me is the back hatch doesn't lift high enough and always builds up with ice and gravel dust under the top which makes it worse and requires constant cleaning. Oh yeah the rear row of seats stares directly into the side panel instead of a window! It's almost like they fired all the engineers when they were half done designing the vehicle and never tested it in winter. Nice that it does almost 1000km on a tank of fuel, drives good and has good power, not sure I'd buy another one though.
Seems like all the recent stuff is plagued with problems, maybe try a Toyota next or something for the SUV. As for trucks I simply ask myself how long it would take me to run up a repair bill that would equal the cost to trade....I expect I will be running these pickups for awhile yet!
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Post by northernfarmer on Feb 13, 2024 0:21:39 GMT -6
I've got the 3.5 na and shortbed, XLT trim. I've been very impressed with engine, it does 10L/100 crusing, and I towed a 40ft FD70 800kms this fall and it handled it well. I would have really liked a 6.5 bed but there where none available within $10k of this one, and I really wanted a bright blue not just a fleet white so that limited options alot. I've never understood why everybody is so thrilled with those giant center consoles for an automatic transmission. That's where a gal is supposed to sit but I guess everyone is gay now adays anyway. Took a bunch of searching to find a decent truck with a bench seat
I am surprised such a small engine would have any power for a full sized pickup, certainly when towing etc. I can't say I have heard much about that engine, far more the ecoboost as most of what I see ordered on lots are the 3.5 ecoboost and how much power it has and then talk to owners who are all thrilled about how the turbos went out after the warranty was gone LOL. And as to colour of truck, white trucks around here are massive due to most oilfield and other fleets using white as their company truck. While there is nothing wrong with white and can go nicely with a certain theme of RV for example, it doesn't stand out and good luck finding it in some parking lots !.
Company crew trucks tend to have bench seat crew cab but also tend to be frill free trucks. More half tons all the time seem to lean to the center console which is a theme that has a history way back with the sports cars and sporty cars that had a manual trans. Also the phone charger and so forth is formed into that system and I think center console is supposed to scream upscale and luxury ... and demand a higher price so therefore it must be good. Gay, naw that is old news these days ... have to be a cross dresser, a tranny or gender fluid or some other type of freakass person. Probably best to have a console if one picks up a hitch hiker, never know just what you've got sitting beside you LOL. However Bob, if it can be determined that the gender is in fact correct, there is a back seat in a crew cab  |
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Post by meskie on Feb 13, 2024 7:42:07 GMT -6
Meskie I see what you mean there with the seat options and it appears that an SLE can get heated bench seats front and rear along with steering wheel heat, all with the cloth theme. However what is missing is cooled seats and the 10 way passenger seat. Then going the SLT theme one can have a leather bench front seat but I believe if one wants any heating and certainly cooling features then it automatically kicks one to the bucket seats and console ( not that I mind that at all, it has its good and bad for sure ). I think then that the SLT has 10 way seat on the passenger as well. I see the SLE has a heated rear window option ... they make it and yet can't get it on a truck with other options, I find it very frustrating !. One thing that has been a total scam for years is them calling it leather, its shit that they refer to as leather in a majority of these trucks. Having said that I believe the Denali Ultimate has real leather and I know my brothers older Ford King Ranch trucks are again real leather as one does not sweat on those much if at all as they breathe.
You can get heat in the leather bench or at least you could when I ordered mine in June. For an extra 35 grand over mine I coulda got the real leather in the ultimate and have massaging seats as well. Along with a bunch of other options I would likely not use. I wouldn’t be too worried about your CP4 pump. It’s water and dirt that are the problems. Regular filter changes solve most of the problems. |
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Post by Oatking on Feb 13, 2024 8:05:04 GMT -6
The baby duramax does have decent power . I seen a video where it beat the ram 5.7 and Chevy 5.3 in a drag race.
The Chevy 6.2 beat the baby duramax .
Other than the front of the engine mounted toward the firewall it is a quiet running engine.
I wonder if my def problem was from frozen def fluid .
After 8500 miles my fuel filters reads 70 percent .
Not a fan of no fuel cap . Strange how the def tank has a cap but not the diesel fuel cap ?🤔
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Post by kevlar on Feb 13, 2024 8:38:33 GMT -6
What’s the reason behind the newer vehicles and no fuel cap? Surely to god it’s not a cost savings thing 🙄🙄.
My uncle had a brand new Ford F-150 just a few years ago, nonstop issues with computers and sensors, like every month it was back to the dealership for a day or two, sometimes didn’t even get home before the next problem. I figured he’d drive it through their front door and light it on fire! I was surprised when one day he had it there again for another repair and traded it off on another new F-150! He’s had this one for a couple years now and it’s been a little better but still has quite a few issues with sensors etc again. If either of the trucks were off warranty you couldn’t afford to own it. I like my Ford but they seem to be struggling with electronics, maybe they all are? My truck is getting older but I’ll likely drive it until it falls apart around me, every truck I’ve had I’ve kept for 12 years so this one needs to make it 9 more 😬
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Post by kenmb on Feb 13, 2024 9:05:04 GMT -6
Every time I stick the nozzle into the cap less SUV tank I think of the Massey Harris 44 sitting in the pasture with the words "use clean fuel, keep it clean" stamped in the fuel cap. I suppose fuel filters have advanced quite a bit in 65 years. I would think an actual fuel cap still has a role in modern society though. Maybe part of the thinking is now I cant just stick the fuel cap under the trigger on the fuel nozzle since there isn't one.
Was looking at new trucks in fall which is something I don't do. Kind of turned me off. $65,000 for a f150 xlt with cloth seats, go down the row and find a f150 xlt with leather for $87,000 and that not a full load as you all know, the xlt is still mid level. Don't care how they want to package that plastic, I don't think I will pay that much for extra trim. I would order the cloth option and go to custom shop, get the leather trim of my choice and throw in heating and cooling if I want and be miles ahead in comfort and looks. Get the door panels and console done in custom trim and colors while I am at it. Yes, there is no doubt dealers and manufacturers are pushing the higher trim units out the door, I will take a wild guess and say it may have something to do with an extra $20,000 profit for about $4000 of costs.
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Post by meskie on Feb 13, 2024 9:19:54 GMT -6
The baby duramax does have decent power . I seen a video where it beat the ram 5.7 and Chevy 5.3 in a drag race. The Chevy 6.2 beat the baby duramax . Other than the front of the engine mounted toward the firewall it is a quiet running engine. I wonder if my def problem was from frozen def fluid . After 8500 miles my fuel filters reads 70 percent . Not a fan of no fuel cap . Strange how the def tank has a cap but not the diesel fuel cap ?🤔 Most def issues are from cold weather seems like if you don’t park it in a heated spot when it’s cold the DEF systems don’t like it. If you plan on keeping the vehicle off warrenty I would change your fuel filter more often then the dash says to. |
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Post by bob123 on Feb 13, 2024 10:13:31 GMT -6
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I am surprised such a small engine would have any power for a full sized pickup, certainly when towing etc. I can't say I have heard much about that engine, far more the ecoboost as most of what I see ordered on lots are the 3.5 ecoboost and how much power it has and then talk to owners who are all thrilled about how the turbos went out after the warranty was gone LOL.
Yeah it's nothing special in terms of power but it seems to do what I ask of it, I rarely tow anything with it though. It has more HP then a 90s V8 and weighs 1000 pounds less then the other brand steel trucks for perspective. Can do over 1000km on a tank of fuel. It's also alot easier and cheaper to work on, alot of room in the engine bay. Speaking of those EcoBoosts, my dad got his timing chain done on his in 2019ish and it was over $10k back then. This one was $4k this summer, got 300,000 kms on it. It's not the engine for everyone but I think it would work just fine for alot of people |
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Post by northernfarmer on Feb 13, 2024 10:31:24 GMT -6
SWMan, its good to see you back as one never knows if something happened to the person, the amount of people I have known in my life that I see show up in the obituaries lately is a little depressing ( yes that is just another clue telling me that I am getting old ). As to your Fords, I can see why you wouldn't willingly part with them with the track record they have shown so far and to replace them with equivalent now would be some sticker shock. The CP4, that certainly has not had a great reputation although surprisingly last year when I talked to an independent shop that exclusively works on Fords and specializes in the diesels, he claimed they really don't see a lot of premature failures but as the miles get high they do indeed fail at some point. Mind you what they would not see is those that never see their shop but instead the Ford shop under warranty getting the whole fuel system replaced. Ram was having enough issues that they went back to the CP3, and GM in the years they used the CP4 had from what I hear the most trouble and I believe a class action lawsuit as a result, the assumption has been due to not having an electric supply pump so the CP4 had to not only pressure the fuel but suck the fuel from the tank and as you can imagine if the truck ran out of fuel etc that priming it and all the air and lack of lubricant ( not that diesel these days is a great lubricant ) was most likely causing damage. You may be aware of that company in the states that developed a pump kit specifically for the Ford from an existing tried and true pump platform and that may be the logical "fix" for the Ford. There would be no harm in looking into the costs of the kit and a shop competent in installing it just to know ... also pricing out what the full on kit to redo your whole fuel system would be.
I assume the 6.7 has the two filter system ?, and I am curious not only how often you change the filters but what does the filtering media colour look like when you pull it out. I've noticed on fuel filters from equipment if I cut it open or was an open style cartridge, depending on how long in hours or a time factor that the media gets black. I don't know if that is dirt or if its something growing on the filter. When my brother last changed his filters on his 6.0 and did not have that many km on them although a bit in years, a smaller part of the lower filter had black on it but most of it was still white. I don't recall for sure now what the upper filter looked like, I think it may have looked fairly clean. I know whoever he had had working on his truck has certainly stressed to change out those filters on a very regular basis which also is getting rid of any small bits of water that may be trapped in the lower one.
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