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Post by SWMan on Jan 20, 2022 9:33:56 GMT -6
Been wanting one for a long time, given supply chain issues and general cost of getting hoses made these days maybe now is the time. Also equipment getting older and there is enough hoses on stuff like drills.
Anyone familiar with a good outfit for buying good quality fittings and getting into the whole thing without spending a fortune.
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Post by Oatking on Jan 20, 2022 9:57:18 GMT -6
Sw MAN , great idea. We have a company in rosenort called Farm Star bearing and electric and they might be able to point you to products needed for good hydraulic fitting machine. I think you will need a lot of stock of hoses due to different pressure applications. But know doubt its a pain running all over for a hose sunday morning or friday evening!
When you find good quality hose drop a call to MacDon in Winnipeg. I think they use the cheapest crap ever!!! Both of my Macdon swathers have almost every hose replaced on them along with hundreds of gallons of trans hydraulic oil.
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Post by cptusa on Jan 20, 2022 9:57:43 GMT -6
I've toyed with this for years too. I've never made the jump due to all the fittings out and about now and not knowing what to stock therefore probably not having correct fitting.
Local equipment dealer has a really good inventory and usually can get ahold of someone after hours (within reason) to get what I need and they're only 15 minutes away. Machine shop 30 minutes away has everything I think you could possibly need. But that's here and I'm fortunate.
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Post by kevlar on Jan 20, 2022 10:04:08 GMT -6
I don't think it's possible to get a set up without it costing a fortune. There are hundreds of different fitting configurations and sizes, and they aren't cheap. Where we get our hoses made, they have everything imaginable, and even then sometimes have to rig things up a little different because they don't have a specific fitting. Would be nice to have for sure, but it would be more of a hassle for me to try keep everything stocked right.
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Post by meskie on Jan 20, 2022 10:25:46 GMT -6
Got a set up from Wurth. You buy the hose and fittings and they give you a crimper. Have to spend the price of the crimper to get it. All eaton fitting and hose is what they deal in. The salesperson comes around every so often and checks your stock and orders what you need. Just got the basic fittings pipe jic male and females in the sizes. We are only 20 minutes to town but it sure is nice just fixing a hose without having to go to town. The one dealer uses the same fittings so if we need something special can just buy from them.
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Post by Albertabuck on Jan 20, 2022 10:38:52 GMT -6
I bought mine years ago, was originally out of the IH dealerhip here in town. Bought a bunch more fittings and some hose online a few years later from a B2B out of MB that had switched to the newer bite to wire style. Mine is for the compression style, getting a bit harder now to source fittings, still have a huge stock but the common used ones I can order thru Fairview at a local industrial supply. Anything out of ordinary I get from the Parker Store, but that gets pricey at times.
I would suggest if buying used one, make sure its the newer style, bite to wire. The fittings are not interchangeable between machines, the dies are completely different.
Its not cheap to get into, even buying up stuff like I did, its in the thousands, especially when you add in hose as well. Do not cheap out on hose, stay with brand name quality stuff. I have a huge assortment of used stuff I bought at sales over the years, surprising how some of that old Areoquip hose is better than some of the new crap today. Some of what I have come from dealerships, lot of it is brand new but small issues here or there, so if you scrounge around some, you can help keep inventory cost down. But you have to have rolls of new stuff too, they are like 250 feet per. It all adds up. I don't buy anything but 2 wire, and either Goodyear or Dayco. I find the hose with the rubber impregnanted fibre wrap, thats the stuff that looks like a spiral on the outside, holds up well especially in extreme cold use and exposed to sun.
Don't plan on doing anything over 1 inch. You are better off going to town.
Not sure if you can still get manual machines, for limited use its good enough. But the hydraulic power units like the air one I have sure work nice for the press and hydraulic gear pullers too. I have a policy with neighbors, during business hours go to town, after hours or emergency come to me.
Oh and besides the hose rigging, I also have a massive fitting assortment as well, you get into replaceing steel lines with hoses and the rebuilding of stuff like I do you need them. Again, that adds up into a small fortune as well. But kind of ironic how I have more specialized stuff here than can be had anywhere in town.
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Post by SWMan on Jan 20, 2022 13:38:05 GMT -6
Excellent info as usual, I need to do some calling around. Another reason is the Claas combines use different fittings than other stuff, although the guy at Brandon Bearing that has made hoses for my Claas tells me these are becoming more common on industrial equipment. I think Claas uses DIN fittings and the dealer does not make hoses for them, just orders them. Oatking on Macdon they have long used cheap hose, I feel your pain. Few years back at Ag-Days a buddy and I were pressing this issue with their rep, and he was very adamant they had gone to better hose in recent years. We mentioned one of the hoses on the adapter had failed on two of the headers we had been running that fall, down on the left side. He said with great certainty he had never seen one of those fail before but asked which one specifically. We bent down and looked and wouldn't you know.......the one at the show was leaking from the same spot!!! I think maybe he took note then...ha ha I've been told I have a better metric bolt selection than the dealers in town, by someone who worked at a dealership. Never bad to have spare parts. I'm still using parts stock Dad bought in the 70's, kinda hurts to see the prices on the packages though.  |
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Post by Albertabuck on Jan 20, 2022 14:18:33 GMT -6
Got a set up from Wurth. You buy the hose and fittings and they give you a crimper. Have to spend the price of the crimper to get it. All eaton fitting and hose is what they deal in. The salesperson comes around every so often and checks your stock and orders what you need. Just got the basic fittings pipe jic male and females in the sizes. We are only 20 minutes to town but it sure is nice just fixing a hose without having to go to town. The one dealer uses the same fittings so if we need something special can just buy from them. Wurth has a reputation for being horrendously expensive, are they actually competitive on your arrangement with other sources? Here in Ab, even when I was in the patch still, you paid dearly for that monthly visit. And by that I mean what you paid for what they left behind. That was on things like different fasteners and electrical, we finally punted them and went with other sources, huge savings. Thats when I was still with Raydan in Nisku and Brooks |
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Post by meskie on Jan 20, 2022 14:45:09 GMT -6
It’s cheaper then what I pay for to get the same assemblies at local dealers. Some of the other stuff is hit and miss for prices. Bolts are dirt cheap from them for the ag program. Automotive and industrial uses different pricing for everything which I find dumb. I got a bunch of bolt bins and parts drawers for free also.
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Post by cptusa on Jan 20, 2022 17:02:22 GMT -6
Excellent info as usual, I need to do some calling around. Another reason is the Claas combines use different fittings than other stuff, although the guy at Brandon Bearing that has made hoses for my Claas tells me these are becoming more common on industrial equipment. I think Claas uses DIN fittings and the dealer does not make hoses for them, just orders them. Oatking on Macdon they have long used cheap hose, I feel your pain. Few years back at Ag-Days a buddy and I were pressing this issue with their rep, and he was very adamant they had gone to better hose in recent years. We mentioned one of the hoses on the adapter had failed on two of the headers we had been running that fall, down on the left side. He said with great certainty he had never seen one of those fail before but asked which one specifically. We bent down and looked and wouldn't you know.......the one at the show was leaking from the same spot!!! I think maybe he took note then...ha ha I've been told I have a better metric bolt selection than the dealers in town, by someone who worked at a dealership. Never bad to have spare parts. I'm still using parts stock Dad bought in the 70's, kinda hurts to see the prices on the packages though. Yeah your Claas will use DIN fitting like my Claas forage harvester. The machine shop I mentioned has them. If you're relying on the dealer ordering pre made hoses because they don't stock the DIN fittings then you can get a lot closer to justifying your own set up. I'm sure its like everything else, costs a pile initially but once your setup with it you'd wonder why you didn't before. |
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Post by Albertabuck on Jan 20, 2022 18:12:19 GMT -6
It’s cheaper then what I pay for to get the same assemblies at local dealers. Some of the other stuff is hit and miss for prices. Bolts are dirt cheap from them for the ag program. Automotive and industrial uses different pricing for everything which I find dumb. I got a bunch of bolt bins and parts drawers for free also. How long you been dealing with them? Had a thought while doing chores, maybe since the oilfield collapsed they pulled their heads out of their asses and got their prices in line. Glory days for outfits like them are long over as they are for many others. |
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Post by meskie on Jan 20, 2022 19:09:40 GMT -6
A year and a half maybe. Just got the hydraulics this summer. They came out with a farm program for them.
Maybe I’m just good at sweet talking the wurth girl for good deals. Haha. She drives by my house pretty well every week on her way to bourgault.
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Post by farmshop on Jan 21, 2022 16:15:12 GMT -6
I buy my supplies from discount hydraulic hose.com not sure on their shipping to other parts other then the states. I use a weatherhead crimper I bought used from trysurplus.com I went with weatherhead because my local auto parts store and a couple local dealerships also use them so I can pick up a fitting if need be take it home and crimp it. We started with the basics pipe thread jic and some orb fittings and have built up from there. I am making hoses for less then half of what my Napa store does. Got Hal a dozen neighbors that stop by on nights and weekends as well. The next door neighbor has his own sheet he writes down what he uses and we settle up at the end of the year
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Post by CTS2 on Jan 22, 2022 14:20:34 GMT -6
What working pressures are the systems that you plan to make hoses for?
Because you can make most hoses needed on a farm with reusable screw on fittings. Apart from really high pressure hoses like on an excavator, or the hydrostatic transmission on a header, reusable fittings are fine. No expense outlaid on a crimper, can be made out in the field, and if the hose is ever damaged in the future, you can reuse the same fittings.
I make all my own hoses, with reusable fittings. Occasionally I've been caught out and had to get a hose made in a shop where you end up with a crimped hose. But I can't actually recall any hose that has NEEDED to be crimped because of the pressure rating, on the farm.
I really have no idea why reusable fittings are not more commonly used these days.
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Post by generalchaos on Jan 22, 2022 14:35:04 GMT -6
What working pressures are the systems that you plan to make hoses for? Because you can make most hoses needed on a farm with reusable screw on fittings. Apart from really high pressure hoses like on an excavator, or the hydrostatic transmission on a header, reusable fittings are fine. No expense outlaid on a crimper, can be made out in the field, and if the hose is ever damaged in the future, you can reuse the same fittings. I make all my own hoses, with reusable fittings. Occasionally I've been caught out and had to get a hose made in a shop where you end up with a crimped hose. But I can't actually recall any hose that has NEEDED to be crimped because of the pressure rating, on the farm. I really have no idea why reusable fittings are not more commonly used these days. Where do you get these fittings? |
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