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Post by SWMan on Mar 19, 2021 17:30:39 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Mar 19, 2021 17:55:46 GMT -6
Looks like an interesting machine. Hope it works well for you
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Post by Oatking on Mar 19, 2021 19:01:19 GMT -6
I like the idea of the opener and the simplicity of it. 9 inch spacing would be ideal in flax and most cereals especially if this year is on the dry side.
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Post by torriem on Mar 19, 2021 19:04:19 GMT -6
Interesting concept. One advantage it has, besides the ability to fold up 60+ foot without resorting to trailering, is that since the pivot points on the wings are down low, as it flexes over terrain you aren't going to see a gap opening up between the rows near the hinge, like you do with existing wing folds with pivot points up high.
A downside to this design is you can't partially fold it (wing up the first stage) to get it into a smaller shop.
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Post by BJT on Mar 19, 2021 19:21:28 GMT -6
Interesting how the openers are mounted on that centre frame and all move together. Is it being assembled in your area?
What seeding speed will you hope to achieve?
Besides narrow transport, what are they hoping to improve upon with this new frame ?
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Post by SWMan on Mar 19, 2021 21:29:12 GMT -6
Being put together in Winkler, so not far away at all relatively speaking. I always go 6mph with my current disc drill, although I could go faster. If I can hit that speed with good performance I will be happy, it takes a LOT of air to push high rates much faster than that. I think the advantage of this design is they can offer almost any row spacing/configuration, even with midrows. I could have gone 7.5" with midrows but opted for 9" as a compromise. I think Salford was only other company that made a 7.5" unit with midrows in larger sizes, and they don't make the 525 drill anymore. Another advantage will be as the openers lower the front and rear ranks get closer together, so the common problem of rows tracking together on corners is reduced. It will be heavy for penetration in hard ground but should have good flotation in soft ground....but we will see in the field.
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Post by bob123 on Mar 19, 2021 21:38:19 GMT -6
Have you been able to try the khart openers in no till? Was wondering how well they did at closing with just a packer behind the discs
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Post by SWMan on Mar 19, 2021 22:09:10 GMT -6
Have you been able to try the khart openers in no till? Was wondering how well they did at closing with just a packer behind the discs I have not used their opener, no way to really mount one on my current drill or I would have tried. Their primary market is no-till I think and that opener has good reviews. Depth is set by the packer and there will be a gauge showing down-pressure, so I think it should get a good start if set right. I think that opener is pretty good for hair-pinning which is always a challenge in zero-till.
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Post by shmiffy on Mar 20, 2021 0:28:05 GMT -6
About time they got a floating hitch.
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Post by kenmb on Mar 20, 2021 8:16:04 GMT -6
That's pretty close to Steiger green so a winner right there.
The pivoting front axle is interesting, I think I would like that on the Pillar using a tow behind tank, might help reduce the sideways pressure on openers when seeding while turning. Not much, but maybe some.
I am guessing the configuration will be all back row units for seed and front for mid row. Or is it a 3rd rank for the mid rows. I wonder if it is a little light though, 80 seed openers plus another 40 for fert on a 32000 lb frame may be short on weight. Those double disc openers don't have a pull in effect so it is entirely on the weight of the frame to push the discs in the ground and pack the seed. I remember seeing a sunflower I think it was, with double disc openers and mid row banders and they had provisions to add more frame weights. Can't remember for sure if they had provisions to fill the frame with fluid too. The Pillar at 60ft and 10" is 44,000 lbs and there is a pull in effect of the opener into the ground via shape of the wing. But I suppose if those single disc drills with a minimal frame get the job done, then this one should. They have built enough drills to know what is needed.
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Post by SWMan on Mar 20, 2021 9:06:18 GMT -6
Agreed on the floating hitch. The computer generated image in the first post does not have midrows, they would be mounted on the front and would raise and lower independent of the main openers.
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Post by kenmb on Mar 20, 2021 10:28:42 GMT -6
Be interesting to see how the do the mid rows. Don't mind the idea of double disc openers around here, have an old press drill with steel transport wheels so late 40s early 50s vintage sitting in pasture with v disc openers. Back in the day when a complete tool set was a hammer, pipe wrench, pliers and 6 open ended wrenches yet guys bought "high maintenance" disc drills. Found a double disc opener in a bush for land we never owned at the time so not the only drill around here back in the day.
The mid row setup is definitely something needed for double disc openers.
I see I was looking at their existing drills for weights, 32,000lbs for 9" 56' seemed a bit on the light side. I am going to guess this new frame has a lot more weight designed in.
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Post by bob123 on Mar 20, 2021 12:17:15 GMT -6
I wonder if it is a little light though, 80 seed openers plus another 40 for fert on a 32000 lb frame may be short on weight. Those double disc openers don't have a pull in effect so it is entirely on the weight of the frame to push the discs in the ground and pack the seed. Their website say "undercut disc," would that not mean it should pull itself in the ground?
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Post by shmiffy on Mar 20, 2021 14:50:29 GMT -6
Yes under cut should pull In. The replacement for the Deere opener is under cut. Anything I’ve heard guys say is it’s better than the Deere. Is that 33000lbs with no openers?I know the guys south of me that have had Kharts for years say they work better than Bourgault or Deere.
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Post by kenmb on Mar 21, 2021 8:27:52 GMT -6
32,000lb is the complete drill as it gives different weight for 9" vs 12" units. And it must be the Amity twin disc opener drill I was looking at years ago, not Sunflower. I understand angle of a disc can cause it to dig in more but it is always counteracting the nature of a wheel which is to climb up. Which is why a lot of weight is used on no till disc drills. The double disc drill is said to pull easy so it is not so much frame strength that is needed, but weight. I am not convinced the wing shaped hoe for seed placement on the Pillar is much advantage when seeding 3/4" to 1" deep. That wing doesn't offer much advantage in loose soil usually found at that depth and straw gets pushed away which pushes soil away and that 1" can now be 1/2" or less over the seed. Works great at 2" though. So a double disc drill may be the right idea for shallow consistent seeding into trash. Came across this today while poking around, automatic greasing on a disc drill seems like a good place for such a system. www.pillarlasers.com/recent-posts/
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