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Post by victory on Aug 15, 2024 8:58:12 GMT -6
here is my oat/pea field experiment . i am hoping the peas will become a cover crop and fix nitrogen. next year I will seed a bit heavier at the 4 leaf oat stage . I had a planter seed the peas so not to trample any oats down . Impressed by oat stand . i didn’t do this to get peas . More of a fall cover crop idea . the federal government has cover crop funding available so might take them up on that to recoup pea cost . least I know it will work now . We have seeded both together in the spring, about 3 bu/ac of peas and a little less than 1 bu/ac of oats. If you use an early variety of oats this seems to work quite well. You need a relatively clean field because chemical options are quite limited.
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Post by Oatking on Aug 15, 2024 10:23:21 GMT -6
Do you plan on having it grazed this fall Oatking? Would make good cow feed and would recoup your seed costs. It would likely reduce the amount of nitrogen fixed by the peas but the cows leave a little something behind as well. The idea was to keep field green till freeze up . I wasn’t keen on harvesting both crops , I will soil test to see if it is worth it . There isn’t a cow heard near me for 30 miles !! If I did have cattle , I think that would be a great practise to graze
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Post by slipclutch on Aug 15, 2024 11:24:54 GMT -6
I wonder in my pea stubble after tilling it over if I would seed a half bushel of oats and put down my phos for a cover crop so it don’t blow in the spring. Always like to plant my corn on pea stubble. Then in the spring just have to put the nitrogen down. Or what would be better for a cover crop? Just thought of oats cuz it’s cheap.
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Post by SWMan on Aug 15, 2024 18:35:25 GMT -6
I honestly don't understand the fascination with inter-cropping and cover-crops. Why would you not want to maintain a disease break(especially on a rotation sensitive crop like peas) in addition to the cost of seed and the operations to plant and possibly spray it out? What's wrong with leaving that oat field until early October and then spraying it, would get thistle/perennial/winter annual control with almost zero effort. Surely your combine kicks a little bit over and you get some rain this fall. Maybe I'm missing something, if so please fill me in. Most of my crops except for the peas and cereals occupy the entire growing season, and they just got a real nice 1.3" of rain yesterday which even the wheat will make use of. After a month with basically zero wind and a wet June that didn't allow growth regulator, there is a lot of flat wheat fields this morning! Not entirely sure if the corn is gonna make it, gonna need September frost free!
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Post by victory on Aug 15, 2024 19:48:41 GMT -6
Pea/oat combination is a cheap crop to grow. The peas supply enough nitrogen for the oats. Just need some phos and potash etc. Couple guys around here said it was their most profitable crop.
I don't have much experience with oats, but don't they shell out if left out once they are ripe?
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Post by meskie on Aug 15, 2024 20:36:13 GMT -6
Peas around here hardly make enough nitrogen for themselves. Oats for us will use close to 100lbs of N.
I don’t get the intercrop thing either.
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Post by slipclutch on Aug 15, 2024 20:52:00 GMT -6
I honestly don't understand the fascination with inter-cropping and cover-crops. Why would you not want to maintain a disease break(especially on a rotation sensitive crop like peas) in addition to the cost of seed and the operations to plant and possibly spray it out? What's wrong with leaving that oat field until early October and then spraying it, would get thistle/perennial/winter annual control with almost zero effort. Surely your combine kicks a little bit over and you get some rain this fall. Maybe I'm missing something, if so please fill me in. Most of my crops except for the peas and cereals occupy the entire growing season, and they just got a real nice 1.3" of rain yesterday which even the wheat will make use of. After a month with basically zero wind and a wet June that didn't allow growth regulator, there is a lot of flat wheat fields this morning! Not entirely sure if the corn is gonna make it, gonna need September frost free! Looks like my corn. I said to a grian buyer today. I don’t think the corn going to make it this year… he just chuckled.. yeah whatever
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Post by cptusa on Aug 15, 2024 21:16:36 GMT -6
That corn has a long ways to go!
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Post by daryl672 on Aug 16, 2024 1:02:18 GMT -6
Do you plan on having it grazed this fall Oatking? Would make good cow feed and would recoup your seed costs. It would likely reduce the amount of nitrogen fixed by the peas but the cows leave a little something behind as well. The idea was to keep field green till freeze up . I wasn’t keen on harvesting both crops , I will soil test to see if it is worth it . There isn’t a cow heard near me for 30 miles !! If I did have cattle , I think that would be a great practise to graze I planted red clover in with my oats this year for the same reason, to fix some nitrogen for next year's crop. One thing I read about it was to terminate it before it starts budding next year because once it does it will use up most of that stored nitrogen from the root nodules for itself, leaving a lot less for the crop you actually want to plant. Since they are both legumes I could see that peas might do the same thing when it starts podding out, so you may want to terminate them before that to get the most nitrogen benefit. This is all just a guess on my part, but you might want to check with someone who knows wtf they are talking about and see what they think.
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Post by gleanerl on Aug 16, 2024 4:55:27 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, I wonder what percentage of us farmers that looked at slipclutch's picture of corn counted rows and kernels? Put me down as one 😁.
I've frost seeded(broadcast) single cut clover for years into winter wheat. Kill it off end of Oct and chisel plow. Sure makes my heavy clay nice to work in spring. Any N is seen as a bonus to next crop. Stand of clover can be thin depending on wheat thickness and moisture. Not as consistent as when I would plant it with spring wheat.
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Post by slipclutch on Aug 16, 2024 5:07:55 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, I wonder what percentage of us farmers that looked at slipclutch's picture of corn counted rows and kernels? Put me down as one 😁. I've frost seeded(broadcast) single cut clover for years into winter wheat. Kill it off end of Oct and chisel plow. Sure makes my heavy clay nice to work in spring. Any N is seen as a bonus to next crop. Stand of clover can be thin depending on wheat thickness and moisture. Not as consistent as when I would plant it with spring wheat. Not my corn. It’s SW mans post. I just replied to it. But yes I counted kernels too. If my corn makes it to the end It will be plentiful crop. I think it will freeze tho. How many round and long are your cobs gleanerl? I have some at 14rR 36L. And 16R 34L. Saw a 20R 40L too. Crazy young corn. Three weeks behind
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Post by Oatking on Aug 16, 2024 6:57:53 GMT -6
I hate to mention the f word in the fall . While swathing oats the other day I thought it was unusually to see a flock of white birds and a coyote looking pretty thick haired ! Is nature giving signs of an early winter . It feels early to worry if a crop will make it or not .
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Post by kenmb on Aug 16, 2024 7:22:55 GMT -6
Got 0.9" Tuesday night, add that to the 0.17" since July 2. Rain all soaked away by yesterday afternoon. Tried the peas yesterday, peas are dry but lots of green in low spots and thistles still. Need sun and heat for glyphosate to work faster. Peas are small, easy to find ones the size of a pin head, ran out of moisture during fill. No idea of yield, maybe 30. Swathed an acre around a slough on Monday to kill some kochia, those swaths don't exist after the rain and wind. Reminds me of days when we actually swathed peas.
Another year of peas flat on the ground, might be optimistic to call them beer can height where they really laid down. A few days of showers in forecast, see how that plays out. Fog this morning.
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Post by Oatking on Aug 16, 2024 9:27:36 GMT -6
1.5 inches yesterday . Will help beans fill and produce the Arizona pods !!! But at 11 dollars a bushel I don’t think a trip to Arizona is in the plans !! Maybe a grey cup trip !!! Lots of fog this morning . That rain lodged a lot of crops . It’s a double edged sword to have all my oats in the swath . But the rain would have made the oats lay down corner to corner so it would probable take awhile to dry out . Plus it’s hard to pick up .
Good thing diesel has come down in price ! We will be using a lot of it
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Post by generalchaos on Aug 16, 2024 16:32:38 GMT -6
I’m going to try to cut my oats tomorrow.
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