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Post by kevlar on Nov 21, 2022 16:46:28 GMT -6
Have just been pondering a little bit about liquid N. Is it priced about the same as urea usually? Not many use it in my area, I remember years ago dad would get it sprayed on then we would harrow it in, can’t really say if it worked good or not, was too young to know. Biggest problem we have now with granular is the rate can fluctuate sometime with different loads if it comes from different places and the granules are a different size or more fines. We currently use a Bourgault 4350, works good enough. Also handling urea wears out augers quickly and I’m not a huge fan of storing it, have to handle it twice, clumping, rusting bins and trucks. Thinking storing liquid would be easier and cheaper over time, biggest downside is the bulk of it, but would likely be more accurate to meter it? What kind of liquid caddy do some of you use? We make a pass before seeding so it would be it’s own setup. Just something on my mind, not really committed to changing over just yet.
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Post by cptusa on Nov 21, 2022 17:50:24 GMT -6
I use liquid 32% to sideress with. Ised to do a preplant weed and feed with the sprayer but went away from that for time and to split apply nitrogen cliser to when crop needs it. If you blow the liquid on top of the hround and get a good rain it's pretty ideal. Nothing wrong with working it in either. Worst cast scenario is blowing it on top and leaving it, then having weather turn hot and dry. It will disappear fast.
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cropgrower
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Post by cropgrower on Nov 21, 2022 18:11:53 GMT -6
i use liquid for N and S , so far im putting dry phos down with seed , but would like to get setup to have that liquid too , i have outback gps working section control for the liquid , works realy good , using bourgault side band openers , any questions ask away
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Post by kevlar on Nov 21, 2022 21:32:05 GMT -6
i use liquid for N and S , so far im putting dry phos down with seed , but would like to get setup to have that liquid too , i have outback gps working section control for the liquid , works realy good , using bourgault side band openers , any questions ask away So how much actual N is in a gallon, or do you go by litres? I just did a quick search and it looks like a decent caddy sells at a reasonable price, especially compared to a bigger air tank. Any issues with storing it? Does it settle out or degrade at all? If you don’t mind me asking, what does a pound of N cost in liquid? I might give my supplier a call tomorrow to get a local comparison. What kind of setup do you have for nursing your drill?
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Post by jaymo on Nov 21, 2022 21:33:40 GMT -6
If you have storage and fill your tanks in the summer, it's basically the same price as urea. It's very easy to store. Just agitate or aerate in the spring. Stainless storage tanks are a good investment. Won't ever rust out. It can be pretty simple to setup with section control on your drill or cultivator. One US gallon is 3 (2.98) actual lb. of N I have no idea what 28 prices are lately but this summer I filled half for $550/tonne and half $650. That's about .89c and 1.05 per lb. Divide the price per tonne by 616 to get your price/lb.
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Post by cropgrower on Nov 21, 2022 22:01:11 GMT -6
i have my liquid stored in poly tanks and a hopper bin , wish i had a stainless tank but price is gone crazy !when hopper bin is empty i fill it with water for spraying , thats realy nice , have all i need for next year here now bought at 550$ a ton also , on my conola ground i do what i think you want to do Kevlar , i do two passes , i go over the ground first with the N and S as liquid , im a bit slow to put all that fert beside the seed , also i dont think fert would be deep enough when side banded seeding conola , when seeding wheat i do it all in one pass and it works great ,
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Post by kevlar on Nov 21, 2022 22:23:36 GMT -6
We always do two passes, even with cereals, tried one pass for several years, and it was a few years too long, just couldn’t grow anything. We work with sweeps to blacken things up in our cool climate and as a weed control, mainly foxtail barley, usually excess moisture is our biggest problem every spring. For some reason I always thought liquid was a good bit more expensive but it appears maybe not. I might have to dig into this a little deeper.
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Post by ab1 on Nov 22, 2022 7:36:42 GMT -6
Let the thought pass by! Ha ha Used liquid fertilizer for 10 years and haven’t missed it at all since switching to dry. Extremely corrosive, maybe no more then dry fertilizer but when a main supply hose breaks under pressure and coats the drill it’s not pretty. Something else to consider, your handling way more weight to get same actual. 28% vs 46%
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Post by kevlar on Nov 22, 2022 8:43:58 GMT -6
Yes a blown hose would make a mess! Not sure dry isn’t as messy though, usually after a couple days the drill is covered in the white dust from the urea. We pressure wash everything after we’re done for the season but it’s still causing some rust on the drill. I think it’s probably a wash between the two, I guess it depends on what a guy prefers to have to deal with. As of right now we have no fertilizer storage, and I see storing liquid as the easier and cheaper route. I know it’s bulky but if it’s delivered right to the yard that’s not my problem.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 22, 2022 9:47:58 GMT -6
Around here people have switched back and forth for years, when Anhydrous came out everyone rented the 40' Macgregor applicator with the tank on the hitch, we pulled it with a 100hp tractor and could cover a quarter section in a day or 2 easily, mostly depending on getting refilled. It was reasonably priced and so quick, clean and easy, there were no regulations or licenses required, UGG used to pull 3 nurse tanks behind a 3/4 ton and I don't know anyone that got hurt seriously. The worst I heard was my neighbor had some liquid run out of a hose and it froze the lined rubber glove he was wearing solid along with a bit of choking and tears he was fine, it was a popular story to listen to and it made us all remember to wear gloves. Then some switched to liquid because it was less hazardous, seemed to have lower losses when conditions for anhydrous was not ideal, it was the best thing ever they said, although the price was a "little" higher. Next thing you know they are back to anhydrous because they got fed up with replacing and repairing corroded out pumps and everything else, along with the rusted out storage tanks that got a bit expensive if they leaked everything into the "containment dike" that everyone had their tanks in😐. Now it is plastic or stainless tanks that are not so likely to leak. Then along came floaters that could blast granular product of any sort onto a quarter section at 20mph, done in 2 hours, with no fuss or muss for the farmer. All these systems have their advantages and down falls, along with the variations in cost, which is the biggest driver. That being said I have thought that the liquid looked like a good system too, my anhydrous applicator had a liquid kit on it at one time and the guy had a caddy for sale that seemed very reasonable, which made me wonder why he was selling it. I will be watching this discussion and maybe start considering it again. As well I have been hearing that the days of anhydrous may be coming to an end due to regulations, liability, and supply. Side note, drove past Maxfield on #1 at Brandon the other day and saw the anhydrous carts out front, WOW are they big, one huge tank on a big wagon, must hold half a b-train of product!!!
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Post by cropgrower on Nov 22, 2022 11:15:50 GMT -6
Let the thought pass by! Ha ha Used liquid fertilizer for 10 years and haven’t missed it at all since switching to dry. Extremely corrosive, maybe no more then dry fertilizer but when a main supply hose breaks under pressure and coats the drill it’s not pretty. Something else to consider, your handling way more weight to get same actual. 28% vs 46% i use the black inch hose that is used on sprayers for feed from pump , clear braided hose is rubbish , never had the black hose bust , everything has pros and cons ,yes their is more product to deal with , but you can mix any blend you like on farm , no wear and tear on augers , and any that is not used stays in tank until next year
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Post by MBRfarms on Nov 22, 2022 18:33:47 GMT -6
We switched to full liquid N last year after dabbling for a while. We put it all on with our sprayer, which makes for simple and accurate rate/sectional control plus perfect distribution vs spin spreaders or even floaters. Much rather wear out the odd water pump vs $15-20,000 augers. Bulk tanks are easy to set up and require almost no management, we just agitate for a few hrs in spring. For our acres a couple 10,000gal poly tanks was a better deal than a mid sized stainless tank, but once you start getting to the bigger sizes stainless would be the only way to go. Get good quality hoses and fittings and leaks/spills are very minimal. We just quickly pressure wash the sprayer and tender truck once we stop for more than a day or two. Summer fill direct to farm uan was the same per lb as urea. Liquid also makes blending very easy to do one farm, one day I'll get more tanks and go all liquid but even just mixing in stabilizer for each tank vs the whole bin or blend was very nice. It all depends on your situation. The guys trying to cover huge acres or go single pass with banders and high rates won't like the bulk and second truck/trailer to keep things going. But for our acres and trying to maximize fertilizer efficiency/cost on farm bulk tanks/blending capabilities and the option to turn my nozzle bodies and hook up the hose and go top dress when crop stage and weather look good is so nice.
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Post by kevlar on Nov 23, 2022 22:35:26 GMT -6
We switched to full liquid N last year after dabbling for a while. We put it all on with our sprayer, which makes for simple and accurate rate/sectional control plus perfect distribution vs spin spreaders or even floaters. Much rather wear out the odd water pump vs $15-20,000 augers. Bulk tanks are easy to set up and require almost no management, we just agitate for a few hrs in spring. For our acres a couple 10,000gal poly tanks was a better deal than a mid sized stainless tank, but once you start getting to the bigger sizes stainless would be the only way to go. Get good quality hoses and fittings and leaks/spills are very minimal. We just quickly pressure wash the sprayer and tender truck once we stop for more than a day or two. Summer fill direct to farm uan was the same per lb as urea. Liquid also makes blending very easy to do one farm, one day I'll get more tanks and go all liquid but even just mixing in stabilizer for each tank vs the whole bin or blend was very nice. It all depends on your situation. The guys trying to cover huge acres or go single pass with banders and high rates won't like the bulk and second truck/trailer to keep things going. But for our acres and trying to maximize fertilizer efficiency/cost on farm bulk tanks/blending capabilities and the option to turn my nozzle bodies and hook up the hose and go top dress when crop stage and weather look good is so nice. What size tank on your sprayer? I thought about that with our sprayer but it only has a 750 gallon tank, that’s a lot of filling.😬
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Post by shmiffy on Nov 24, 2022 10:10:34 GMT -6
I have 1000 gallon tk and 100 foot boom. Doesn’t take long to empty the tank. I get 28-00 delivered to the field. Gmac has portable storage tanks that they park at the field and fill. I bring a couple hoses and a pump. It’s nice way of keeping the sprayer clean inside.
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Post by MBRfarms on Nov 24, 2022 16:41:44 GMT -6
Sprayer has a 1000gal tank, we split apply our N so we're never trying to dump on high rates in one go. Usually 12-20gal/Ac per pass which is the same rates we use for all our other spraying. We just mix in some stabilizer and dribble it on ahead of the drill and our Concord incorporates it decently enough, then follow up with a second pass in crop. Split applying is a whole different topic for another thread, but I'm very happy with it and would say it's got probably the highest profit potential. All this said we're a smaller operation with land all within 5mi of the yard, with 1000s of acres spread all over logistics and timing would definitely play a far bigger part in the equation.
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