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Post by kevlar on Nov 24, 2022 20:06:32 GMT -6
Doing the split application had crossed my mind for a few years, but after the last two years I don’t know if I would do it. Both years had lots of moisture right at seeding but then nothing once the crops came up. If we hadn’t put everything on at the start we would have missed the crop/price of a lifetime, and this year would have been bad. I know every year won’t be like this though. The way our land is, our sprayer would run out before we got a headland done!
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Post by absk on Nov 24, 2022 20:21:31 GMT -6
For you guys that are spraying it on can you spray it on in the fall or should a guy spray it on ahead of the drill?
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Post by shmiffy on Nov 25, 2022 11:21:36 GMT -6
I have never put n down in the winter or fall on the surface. Ahead of the crop helps with weed control. Part of what happens with urea when it converts to plant available form is that it gives off co2. Not sure when fall applied 28-00 would have co2 given off. Probably at a certain temp.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Dec 30, 2023 8:34:12 GMT -6
I am hoping to see the latest in liquid systems at Ag Days, was going to order the kit for my anhydrous unit and have the option, but maybe there will be a big deal.
Anyone know if caddys with pumps are still selling at reasonable prices, I haven't seen any for sale for quite a while, are they getting hard to get?
This fall the price for liquid was the same as anhydrous per lb.
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Post by Oatking on Dec 30, 2023 10:02:59 GMT -6
I am hoping to see the latest in liquid systems at Ag Days, was going to order the kit for my anhydrous unit and have the option, but maybe there will be a big deal. Anyone know if caddys with pumps are still selling at reasonable prices, I haven't seen any for sale for quite a while, are they getting hard to get? This fall the price for liquid was the same as anhydrous per lb. You should be able to find one ! Do you want to switch because you can pre buy and store or do you fill it’s a superior product? Do you think it’s worth the extra work and equipment because it’s bulky? I like those points but the bulky product would slow me down too much during seeding. I like that It is safer to handle . As I get older it’s getting harder to pull out the winch and lift the nh3 hitch. What are you reasons O D for switching ? |
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Dec 30, 2023 20:59:35 GMT -6
I was talking to Redfern's in Neepawa this fall and they said there was no difference in price between NH3 and liquid nitrogen and the NH3 supply was not reliable.
Interesting
They have a kit that would go on my 37' anhydrous unit that I think I can install and make it into a dual use machine for $1400. They have caddies that they rent out (none were used this year) and they have trucks with 1200 gallon tanks to deliver to the field, same as I get with NH3. I have no storage at this time.
I have been thinking about the way we have been farming this place and it's history. Most of the fields have been farmed for over 100 years with no thought of replacing any micronutrients, when fertilizer first started here it was nitrogen in bags, then nitrogen and some phos. In the 70's we tried rapeseed, they said we needed some S. They used to say we didn't need K because we had granite rocks, until they changed their minds and recommended a K boost. I did an experiment with spraying copper on the wheat and it prevented ergot for the first time in 10 years, there may have been other benefits as well, but the no ergot was a big win on it's own.
It made me wonder how the rest of our micronutrient levels were doing, we started doing tissue sampling to see what the plant levels were and there were some imbalances.
Then I learned about some of the chemical reactions and the tie ups that can result that render some nutrients inaccessible to the plants. I am thinking there are products that are easily mixed into liquid fertilizer to hopefully address the imbalances that I don't see as available in granular form which is my other fertilizer option.
As well I am thinking about soil biology a bit more and I am thinking NH3 is not the most beneficial to the beneficial soil inhabitants. I have heard the history of NH3 was that it was used during the war to dry out and compact the ground when they were building landing fields in the UK. We have been using NH3 for almost 50 years here and I am thinking it is time to maybe try another option, I am hedging my bets though by not abandoning the NH3 option though. The liquid people are telling me that the land will become more mellow by using liquid and there should be a noticeable difference in 3 years.
I have heard that our land is sour, I see that alkali is becoming more of a problem as the years pass and I wonder how much the high salt index products we use are affecting the situation. I also heard twice this fall in a 7 day span that I have a calcium deficiency, who would have thought? Is it a deficiency or a chemical tie up?
I am hoping the liquid system will give me more flexibility.
I am hoping the liquid is less regulated than NH3 and safer as well. I have been applying NH3 since I was 12 (shock and horror to all the safety nuts) never had an issue with it, but also don't like switching tanks so I get them refilled as needed in the field, which is not an issue so far on our operation.
I am not going with the really advanced system to start, and I am hoping I can buy a caddy with a pump, but I know I can rent one cheap, so maybe ownership isn't everything.
I am also having concerns about the dry conditions when we are applying NH3, I would be more confidant the liquid would be where I put it and not gassing into the air.
We also had an issue getting a stabilizer on the urea this fall (it didn't happen), it would have been a simple dump a jug in the liquid tank.
5 years ago I would have said there is no way I could afford to use liquid, but it looks reasonable at this time and I am hoping it is a better product BUT I am also interested in the opinions of the experienced, has anyone actually noticed these benefits, are there more than I have mentioned, are there downfalls I am missing?
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Post by GumboTurner on Jan 1, 2024 15:34:01 GMT -6
Mount a Quad sprayer with a garden hose reel, filled with water on the liquid tank. Can quickly rinse off any spills.
Can beat the flexibility of liquid.
Pattison liquid are the guys to talk to about liquid fert.
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