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Post by Oatking on Jun 15, 2022 20:34:11 GMT -6
Big difference between land that had 4 feet of water on it compared to land that was high and dry. My flooded land has no beetles or grass hoppers, my one quarter that was partially dry has hoppers and flea beetles on it already. I assume they will move over in good order!
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Post by northernfarmer on Jun 15, 2022 21:33:21 GMT -6
Big difference between land that had 4 feet of water on it compared to land that was high and dry. My flooded land has no beetles or grass hoppers, my one quarter that was partially dry has hoppers and flea beetles on it already. I assume they will move over in good order! I wonder if you were to be proactive on this one quarter, if that will prevent the critters from spreading. That of course would depend on not only your field that has beetles but any neighbours that have fields near your prior drowned ones but also have beetles.
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Post by hardrockacres on Jun 16, 2022 12:40:10 GMT -6
Seeing some beetle damage around here....but I would think with the rain and wind for the next few days the canola might outgrow the potential damage. Thoughts? watch the stems , in bad weather they go down and bite the stems , then plant just falls over Looks like it will grow thru them. Been watching daily thru the rain and damage still isn't at the thresh hold, maybe even tapering off as the beetles I do see seem fairly dopy. plants are getting big enough now I think it will be ok, jus t have to keep checking.
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Post by kevlar on Jun 24, 2022 20:40:09 GMT -6
Here’s a question. I seen a plane spraying a canola field, can only assume for flea beetles, it has been raining and showers most of the day. I was driving right by the field while it was behind sprayed, I had my wipers going on intermittent just a couple notches away from going steady. Everything I think I know about this tells me it shouldn’t work at all, am I wrong?
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Post by SWMan on Jun 26, 2022 21:54:15 GMT -6
Does anyone have Dekalb 82SC or 83SC? I have found those varieties very close to Invigor in yield although not quite as good of shatter tolerance. I think the 83SC actually beat the Invigors last year. Maybe they use a different seed treatment which actually works a bit?
Talking with a few neighbors today, lots of Invigor canola looking like crap. My early stuff was L233P and is awful, later seeded stuff was L340PC and from the road it looks better so far. Between BASF's ridiculous price increases, lack of Liberty and crappy product performance I'm wondering if it's time to stop using their stuff. Glad we have other options. I'm returning my leftover L233P seed ASAP.
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Post by garyfunk on Jun 27, 2022 8:00:57 GMT -6
Growing some Dekalb 93SC this yr. Good vigor - better than the 98CR and the BY6204. That's all I have to compare it to. Saw some flea beatle damage but not near enough to warrant spraying. All treated with Buteo.
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Post by meskie on Jun 27, 2022 13:38:48 GMT -6
that is out pioneer 506 canola. Didn’t need to spray it for bugs. A few bites on the leaves next to the bush but the L255 invigour on the same feild needed a spray. It’s starting to catch up to it now
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Post by kevlar on Jun 27, 2022 18:02:40 GMT -6
People would kill for a nice crop like that here!
We decided to get a couple fields sprayed today, they really hammered one field bad the last couple of days, stuff is just so slow coming, hopefully spraying will get one thing off it’s back and help it along, I really don’t like spraying, just as a last resort. Heard a second hand story today that one guy was headed out to spray for the fifth time, if it’s true or not I don’t know. If it is, he’s nuts.
Seeing the numbers of planes going this year, I wonder how long it will be before the population starts asking “so that kills ALL the bugs?” I believe our days are numbered for using chemicals like this, some people really overdo it with this stuff, which I think will hurt us all in the long run. 🤷♂️
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Post by meskie on Jun 27, 2022 22:16:12 GMT -6
That’s our best crop. We got 3 1/4s that look terrible. Might go spray them toMorrow for the first time for weeds. Got pounded with rain just after they were seeded and the bugs were very hard on the small stunted canola.
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Post by kenmb on Jun 28, 2022 7:09:54 GMT -6
I would have thought cold and wet weather would have kept flea beetles in check. Always thought flea beetle increased damage and dry weather kind of went hand in hand. I guess I need to think of it more as slow plant growth being the major factor.
Was in the half ton driving over my mustard and look down on the ground and see a bunch of little black bugs. Not super size flea beetles, but about 1/8" long and see one jump. Get out and have a close look and see its a cricket, and a bunch of them in that spot, like one every 8". My mustard is on wheat stubble and my barley on pea stubble 100ft away has no crickets. Curious. I don't recall seeing baby crickets before, they just seem to materialize at harvest time as adults crawling around. So yes, I wonder what all gets killed off when a guy sprays for insects. But I understand a guy does what he has to do to save a crop. Lots of little hoppers in my barley, which leads to adults laying eggs in fall. I wonder if in past years that cultivation in fall would destroy various egg deposits and so minimize bug pressure the next year.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Jun 28, 2022 8:08:20 GMT -6
I read that crickets eat grasshopper eggs, would that apply to what you are seeing?
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Post by kenmb on Jun 28, 2022 8:19:12 GMT -6
Yes. Crickets are the ying/yang of grasshoppers. It is why I found it interesting to see little crickets all over. As the grasshoppers reproduce so would the crickets and then the question is how many crickets are needed to cut down the hopper population. I also wonder if crickets reproduce in cereals more so than peas. Maybe something to do with crop canopy. At harvest i will see lots of hoppers in peas but don't recall seeing crickets in peas and there again I assume crickets just magically show up later in season and so see them when doing cereals. Could be crickets do better in crops with more sun exposure on the ground.
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Post by queenoftheswamp on Jun 28, 2022 8:38:14 GMT -6
Grew mostly 82SC this year after dealing with poor vigor/reseeding of L233 last year. Grew a quarter of L233 this year just to have a yield comparison. The 82SC looks way better so far, L233 is struggling. We’ve sprayed it for flea beetles. 82SC has Bateo. Seems to be a good seed treatment.
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Post by kevlar on Jun 28, 2022 9:26:33 GMT -6
Talked to an elevator manager yesterday, it’s pretty much confirmed that Bayer has issues with its seed this year, more so the treatment, turns out that basically the same treatment was stopped in the US because of these issues. But like always, Bayer is looking for loopholes.
How come there is a shortage of everything, except insecticides? Can get it by the truckload.
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Post by kevlar on Jun 28, 2022 12:04:38 GMT -6
Funny how crickets were mentioned, I’m sitting here on the water trailer listening to crickets. It’s wheat on oat stubble. Surprised to see as many grass hoppers as I have, thought the wetness would have taken care of them. Maybe that’s an old wives tale, or I guess farmers tale ?
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