|
|
Post by northernfarmer on May 29, 2022 20:12:41 GMT -6
Sorry for late reply northernfarmer, just like SW said a bit when fan is turned on but nothing major getting sucked out by fan. Usually try to be at 2700 on velocity sensor. Which tank would the canola be in, the one furthest away from the airflow and is that velocity meter reading for that tank and not the highest reading tank which is always the first tank that receives air. I had asked someone today in the area about their experience with a segmented roller and he confirmed that if the gap was not just right between the segmented roller and the wear strip, he would find ground up canola blowing out the openers so certainly a possible issue and that would be dictated by seed size as well. |
|
|
|
Post by SWMan on May 29, 2022 22:36:09 GMT -6
I assume the cal number would be different based on drill width, aside from all the other lack of precision .... oh wait, they call it a precision metering system LOL. But if you happen to note the roller speed for the given seeding rate and with that your ground speed and seeding tool width, that would give an indication of what could be expected from a segmented roller vs this extra fine low clearance unit. Only things that matter in a cal # is the number of runs and density of the product and obviously the style of roller. Fore my segmented roller the cal# for canola is usually 35-39 and that is with 8 runs. If you have less runs then it would drop accordingly. I run mine in the front tank which is furthest from the fan, only ever used for canola and inoculant. I will band urea through the back two tanks but want to keep the front one mint for those expensive and precise products. I would imagine if you had some stuff out of alignment in there it could affect things. It is a precision metering system and a hundred times more reliable than anything Bourgault ever put out(I've run both), and way easier on seed. My perfect tank would be a Bourgault tank with a Flexi-coil meter on the bottom. I actually considered buying an older BG tank and converting it. 580 bushels is good enough for me though. |
|
|
|
Post by Oatking on May 30, 2022 5:36:28 GMT -6
One question, is there any truth to the idea , you should put the lightest product to the front of the tank and heavier products to the back. Will it affect air flow or evenness of flow.
|
|
|
|
Post by northernfarmer on May 30, 2022 5:37:41 GMT -6
SW you mentioned 580 bushels, that would be a newer style tank then this 2009 vintage 3430 ( 430 bushel ) unit and I have to wonder if the meter boxes and the drive system is different ?. This has the 8 runs although its only a 51 foot unit so width would affect the cal number or so I believe it would. I am guessing then that you are also running the granular inoculant through the segmented roller as well. I am surprised you said that the BG unit does not have as good a metering system ( I have had nothing to do with those units but many of them around me ) as the person locally who fought with the flexicoil system like I have went to a BG and is far happier with the seed system for canola after his issues with the stalling meter roll and inoculant was worse then the canola. Also the issues he found with the segmented roller smashing the canola ( and not an unheard of issue from years back ) . So indeed it does surprise me that your making out good with yours and why I am wondering if the meter boxes are designed differently on your vintage of flexicoil cart.
When we got this unit there was no way the low clearance roller was going to fit into the front compartment ( furthest away the fan flow ) so it made sense why the prior owner used the middle tank for canola just like one is not really supposed to and yet for us with the 5 lb rate up til this year it worked flawlessly. I had tried to shift things around on that front meter box and at least I thought I got the low clearance roller to fit but never tried seeding with it to prove it worked. The unit was not that old when we got it and I have assumed something was not quite aligned properly with that front meter box and they are impossible to get apart without twisting every bolt off from what I see which was the beef of the local farmer who replaced meter boxes more then once on his unit due to warping caused by the materials used doing weird things and claimed he washed it out good each season. And back to the item as I just see Oatking bring up, indeed flexicoil themselves said that the proper tank to be using for low volume small seeds etc is the front tank or tank furthest from the fan flow and have heard others not have good luck using the middle tank and yet our unit for the poundage we were applying with canola it worked out very close with no sucking through due to the air flow that is the culprit using the middle tank vs the forward tank of a tow behind unit. I can only speculate that its partly the air dampener settings I am using and the low fan speed as I expect if I was using a higher fert rate and cranking up the fan speed bad things would more then likely happen and as odd as this sounds due to the drill quirks we are single shooting and that may also be a reason behind the middle tank working vs not.
|
|
|
|
Post by victory on May 30, 2022 7:58:46 GMT -6
On my 2007 Seedhawk higher fan speeds does seem to affect the meter rates. I believe that is because some product is getting pushed/blown past the meters.
This happens with wheat and fertilizer. I don't like running high fan speeds, but also don't like plugging.
|
|
|
|
Post by carlos on May 30, 2022 16:28:49 GMT -6
I always put canola or innoculant in front tank(tow behind). You should always put a new wear strip on every year.
|
|
|
|
Post by carlos on May 30, 2022 16:32:50 GMT -6
Aren't all the meter rollers same length? Why wouldn't it fit in front tank?
|
|
|
|
Post by victory on May 30, 2022 16:40:52 GMT -6
What was your method victory to mix the seed as one sure would not want that to not be blended well enough or separate out and have no seed come out. Not a product one would want to keep around for another year with some left over or would not think so. Hey northernfarmer, your canola seed bags didn't come with the mixing instructions? They tell you because of the high cost of canola seed per pound and due to the fact that you get a better crop by not seeding too many seeds per square foot, that you should bulk up the canola seed with another product if the grams/1000 kernels is too low.  Also mentions that you should wear gloves if you don't trust the coating that the company has coated the seed with. |
|
|
|
Post by northernfarmer on May 30, 2022 17:24:53 GMT -6
Victory, I was supposed to read the bottom .. the sides, the back, of the cereal box ? . To me its bs propaganda to justify screwing us by shrinking the bag with drought stricken canola seed. As to the seed treatment, oh yes I wear gloves and a mask if there is going to be any touching of the seed, this goes back to the lindane days as that chemical was nasty and it worked. What you were talking about in mixing reminded me of a neighbour years ago who not only him but other farmers who had no clue about the hazards of grain treatment chemicals and would sprinkle the powder onto the grain after they pailed it into the press drill box and then stick their bare arm into the grain to mix it around. One such local farmer had a variety of issues with his body for many years and the doctor suspected it was from absorbing that chemical.
|
|
|
|
Post by cptusa on May 30, 2022 20:45:02 GMT -6
My worst planting mistake this year is adapting myself to a bigger planter. I'm so used to turning a 16 row on the endrows I was turning my 24 too tight instead of using most of the endrows, this has resulted in a significant "hook" on some of the passes.
Neighbor was giving me a hard time about it. I told him I did it on purpose because I get bored being perfect all the time I intentionally f'd up to see how everyone else feels.
|
|
|
|
Post by kevlar on Jun 20, 2022 11:53:18 GMT -6
My biggest seeding mistake this year was seeding.
|
|
|
|
Post by iamwill on Jun 20, 2022 14:23:28 GMT -6
I don't know if seeding can be counted as a mistake. What is the expression, "hope springs eternal". By nature farmers are optimists (or dreamers). Just think of this year as a farm scale experiment, not that different from any other year just a larger scale. It seems that's all farming is just one big experiment that doesn't end until you retire.
|
|
|
|
Post by Oatking on Jun 20, 2022 14:51:00 GMT -6
Well, I think it was mentioned before on here, but it is extremely important not to get those colorful red white or blue pieces of paper on seed pallets in your seed tank. Heard a neighbour seeded a whole half with no seed because of that paper getting stuck at the bottom of the seed tank hopper. Seems to happen all the time.
The best one I heard of is a guy bought a new to him drill but unsuspectingly to him the previous owner stuffed a t-shirt at the bottom of the seed hopper. Well, That t-shirt got wrapped around the bourgault auger mighty tight. Funny thing is , when the farmer was able to dislodge the t-shirt from the air tank , low and behold it was a BART SIMPSON Eat my Shorts T - shirt. lol True Story!
|
|
|
|
Post by carlos on Jun 20, 2022 15:50:35 GMT -6
And that is why I only put 5 bags of canola in my tank at a time. It might take me a little longer to seed, but at least I know I'm actually seeding. That's why I love camera's in every tank.
|
|
|
|
Post by meskie on Jun 20, 2022 16:55:38 GMT -6
Our bourgault saddle tank has its own set of load bars also. So you can watch the weight going down. We still only put 5-10 bags in at a time. You need to get out to stretch and look things over every so often anyway.
It also has a screen so it catches the string from the bag if you aren’t paying attention.
|
|
