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Post by meskie on May 17, 2022 10:44:49 GMT -6
It was a very random problem where it would seed then stop seeding in the middle of the pass. Then start again 100’ later. Or sometimes it wouldn’t start when you turned around. Like the oats blew out of the metering auger on the headland. Stop and spin the auger by hand till it filled up and it was good for a round or two. You could watch the fan speed and tell when it was and wasn’t seeding so there was lots of double passes and double seeding to make sure we got most of the spots filled in. We were using a 6450 cart and running tank 3 into 4 to meter. We put the block off plate on and it fixed the problem so we just put seed into tank 4. As we were under the tank doing something else my dad heard the air leaking out of tank 3 clean out when it was empty. There was some rust and a few kernels of seed on the seal making it leak. |
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Post by garyfunk on May 17, 2022 10:52:45 GMT -6
Holy, meskie , that sounds exactly like us, right down to the same cart, lol. Except I was the Dad.  |
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Post by meskie on May 17, 2022 12:51:39 GMT -6
All the guys I know at bourgault service were stumped also. A couple have worked there since they started.
They had never heard of that problem before. 🤣🤣
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Post by kenmb on May 18, 2022 6:55:42 GMT -6
The Edge is reformulated to 7.5 lbs/ac for spring use. I had some old edge that is the 15 lb/ac rate and used that up the other day. After doing some test calibrations a d running a couple bags through I loaded 10 bags and worked out to 14.2 lbs ac which was pretty close to what I was aiming for, it think I calculated it to be 13 lbs ac. Close enough. It's wet so no need to be heavy this year. And I don't believe in precision anything. If I am aiming for 2.2 bu/ac wheat/barley or 140 lbs of fert and I get within 10% of the number I have in my head then good enough. Someone will have to work pretty hard to convince me 2.2 bu/ac wheat is perfect and me only getting 2.0 down when I calculated I wanted 2.2 is some kind of failure or mistake. I can understand guys paying $70 ac for canola do care if it is 5 vs 6 lbs ac. My yellow mustard I don't care so much if I get 8 vs 10 lbs ac. Close enough is good enough. However, the new Edge formula is still a little tricky for me to hit 7 lbs/ac.
I suspect I may have other leaks to investigate. I have felt around the seals at the bottom of the tank and maybe a guy should change them. Same with the seal the pressurizatiin tube passes through. The lid seal had no evidence of leaking when feeling around it but the new lid seal dis make a difference. Where last week I was running 64 rpm to get a given rate, I am now about 46 rpm to get same rate at same ground speed shooting for 7 lbs/ac.
I doubt I will have mush problem with wheat and barley. With those grains I am sure a guy could feel/hear the leak that effects rate. Flax and mustard maybe effected some what by very small leaks. Will find out.
Yes, this is the middle tank with triple flight auger.
Yes, a different cart is on the wish list. But I really, really like simple. As I get older I really like simple more.
Yesterday brought the IH truck home from elevator with load of fertilizer, parked in yard. Go to move it an won't move. The controller for the Alison Trans is acting up giving a stupid display and then going blank. Check a few voltages, all is ok. Service guy says start with changing out the keypad. Ok, take it out, get the numbers, talk with parts guy. $1000, 47 in stock somewhere. 2 week standard delivery, can air freight out. Good. Let's go. I am still waiting for his quote so I can order. Last night I do more reading, plug key pad in to read fault codes. Now everything works. I hope it keeps working. One of the newest pieces of equipment is the one giving me grief for seeding.
I like simple. I just need to solve the simple problems that come with simple things. But maybe one day I will get a 6 or 7 series BG cart. And relearn how to fix the common problems associated with a used cart that starts showing its age.
Don't know. I kind of like knowing how to fix the same thing by keeping it for a long time.
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Post by garyfunk on May 18, 2022 8:01:19 GMT -6
Crank up your fan and you'll most likely find the leak if there is one.
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Post by kevlar on May 18, 2022 8:02:22 GMT -6
I agree with the simple stuff. We have a Bourgault 4350, use it for putting down 46, used it for probably 7-8 years for seeding, I loved it, never gave a minutes trouble, was more than accurate enough for me with almost infinite settings. We have a 5440 now, last year was the first year with it, it worked great but I still dread the day that something goes wrong with it, and it’s simple compared to new stuff.
There are days I look around our yard and wish we had newer stuff, but then I think about how we’ve never had to sit for days as a tech tries to get things going. I guess whatever works for everyone is what matters most.
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Post by kenmb on May 18, 2022 8:17:33 GMT -6
Yes, I should do that Gary, good point. I run pretty low fan speeds. 2800 rpm for edge broadcasting, 3600 doing wheat yesterday @ 6.5 mph with around 150 lbs of product in either stream. So I actually have never run fans up to say 5000 rpm and feel around, I am always checking when I am out in the field and fans are at normal operatings speed. I suppose I like simple because I forget the simple things like ramping up fan speed.
I was dragging around the BG8800 ultra harrow this week putting down edge. 9" spacing, mounted harrow, wheat stubble, 2" spoons. Everything worked well. Nice field finish. Drag it wherever I need to go. Hook on the disc drill and whole different ball game. Will see what the next few years bring. Not sure what my next seeding unit will be. I do like the idea of simpler as I get older. Spend a lot of time under the Pillar with maintenance. I don't mind giving up a few bu/ac as I get older for something I can hook up and go. And if I am buying used it won't be a precision independent opener drill. The next seeding tool is something that is more of a challenge to decide what direction to go. So far this year I am thinking 8910 with mounted harrow and make a harrow pass after seeding. Worked well enough for 30 years. In a real dry year the disc drill will outperform hands down. Average year with an inch of rain after the rig is parked and the difference is less apparent. No doubt the cultivator idea is an inferior tool, but it is all a matter of what trade offs are acceptable to yourself. Not the agronomist.
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Post by Oatking on May 18, 2022 9:41:49 GMT -6
Check the nut and bolt for tightness on the bourgault fifth wheel plate on all series carts. I have seen that break from slopping up and down. The story behind that mishap is pretty funny and an expensive fix!
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Post by snapper22 on May 18, 2022 10:42:48 GMT -6
We had a flub up to start off. One section was plugging off. No problem with wheat I got from my friend but my own stuff it started. Anyway ended up draining the tank to find dead pigeons. Must’ve come from when I was cleaning and had top off bin. Screened it and thought all was good. Still was messing up. Never had pulled meter. Sure as heck bird wing in there. Screen everything going onto tank. Always screen fertilizer twice. Last year couldn’t figure why seed wasn’t going on heavy enough. Pressurization line had a mouse in there. No end of fun here with rodents and birds. Rat man drops off two five gallon pails of green bricks and keeps mice down but you can’t get all of them.
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Post by garyfunk on May 18, 2022 11:29:58 GMT -6
Found a dried up squirrel in some pea seed once. Son caught it in time before it got buried in the tank.
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Post by meskie on May 18, 2022 11:40:01 GMT -6
Check the nut and bolt for tightness on the bourgault fifth wheel plate on all series carts. I have seen that break from slopping up and down. The story behind that mishap is pretty funny and an expensive fix! 
kinda like this? not my cart. Haha |
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Post by kevlar on May 18, 2022 11:48:19 GMT -6
I’ve seen that one before, am impressed by how soon he got stopped.
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Post by meskie on May 18, 2022 11:56:11 GMT -6
It also never wrecked anything major if you can believe it. They bolted it back together and away he went.
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Post by CTS2 on May 18, 2022 14:19:47 GMT -6
Check the nut and bolt for tightness on the bourgault fifth wheel plate on all series carts. I have seen that break from slopping up and down. The story behind that mishap is pretty funny and an expensive fix! There is a sticker telling you to do that, and it says it in the book too. The words "check" and "tightness" are not particularly clear in my opinion. How tight? I aim for no clearance no preload. But I have no idea if that's what it's supposed to be. |
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Post by Oatking on May 18, 2022 17:45:43 GMT -6
Yeah it is amazing the reflexes of that guy to stop in time! The one I saw was on the other side of the quarter from where he stopped and during that time the farmer was thinking something went wrong with the bourgault monitor wire harness because the monitor was beeping continously. We joked about that one and how he had his head down on the floor checking wire connections while seeding.! I guess when all check out well in side the cab he took a look behind and saw the cart nosed dived into a ditch a half mile away! I told him it was good thing he was seeding soybeans because he usually pulls nh3. That would have been dangerous!
I had that happen with a caddy wagon years ago and dad was making the outside round and went behind a yard and never re-appeared from the yard. I waited at the tandem and nothing! Finally , I was worried about what was going on and walked out across the field and seen the front axil was pulled off the fertilizer cart.
It is amazing how fast farmers can spring into action when a mistake or break down happens! I swear we get super human strength and adrenalin to stop down time in its tracks. It has to be because any other time it would take me much longer to do A B.S mistake!.
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