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Post by shmiffy on Feb 9, 2022 4:59:31 GMT -6
Hey big talk , My friend was saying Australia does not use natural gas to produce NH3. He said they use wind and solar power to generate the power to produce nh3. Is this true and what is the farmer cost of nh3? The last chunk of nh3 was bought around 2100 bucks a ton. If it costs more with green energy , I hope Biden does not change to that method on this side of the world. You would think solar and wind would be cheaper to produce the product. Solar and wind are money pits. Tough to beat next to free natural gas |
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Post by Oatking on Feb 14, 2022 14:41:39 GMT -6
Have any growers on here made there own melted urea and if so if you dont mind sharing how you built it and how it works to fill and mix product. It might be a good practise with the current price of fertilizer. I have heard its like a 3 parts to 1 part ratio of N source and is easily available for plant uptake. What type of rates are guys using? Thanks for any ideas.
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Post by slipclutch on Feb 14, 2022 19:08:29 GMT -6
I think there was a thread on the old combine forum about 10 years ago. I was a interesting thread.
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Post by torriem on Feb 14, 2022 19:58:10 GMT -6
www.grainews.ca/features/liquid-fertilizer-and-melting-urea/Last time Patrick spoke about this on the other forum, I believe he said the problem he was having was pumping the slury through a screen that kept plugging. I suggested some kind of rotary, self-cleaning screen like we use with pivot irrigation pumps but in miniature. I think he was going to try that. That was a year or two ago. Last time I ran the numbers (just before Christmas) the cost of Urea was nearly identical to UAN in terms of cost per # N. So I'm not sure there's much savings to be had by melting urea vs just using UAN. Is 28-0-0 now cheaper than Urea?
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Post by SWMan on Feb 14, 2022 22:43:18 GMT -6
Yeah I have played around with this, spraying with flat fan nozzles to boost protein and yield at heading. Had erratic results(some great results) but never gave it the replicated work it maybe deserved. How I did it was I half filled a cone bottom liquid caddy with water, added required amount of urea and topped tank with water. I did some small scale weight/displacement measurements to see how much water a given amount of urea would displace, then easy to do the math on your larger tank. I then bubbled air with a little compressor and one way valve from Princess auto into the bottom and as I recall it took a few hours to melt it. Tank got real cold though, not sure how much more could be done without a heat source. I filtered it out of the caddy and you would be surprised how dirty urea can be.
If I was to do this on a large scale I had planned to use a 30,000 gallon tank I had pushing water into a 7500 gallon cone bottom tank where mixing/bubbling happened and then offload those batches onto my 7500 gallon water trailer to nurse sprayer. I think a guy could dissolve and blend probably as fast as a sprayer could dribble it on, just would need to be set up proper.
Urea is supposed to be safer on a living plant. I had no interest in frying leaves off my wheat like usually happens with UAN top dress. Just should be domestic urea, offshore stuff can sometimes have an ingredient that is hard on the crop(can't remember what it's called ATM...)
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Post by prairieboy on Feb 14, 2022 23:29:30 GMT -6
Yeah I have played around with this, spraying with flat fan nozzles to boost protein and yield at heading. Had erratic results(some great results) but never gave it the replicated work it maybe deserved. How I did it was I half filled a cone bottom liquid caddy with water, added required amount of urea and topped tank with water. I did some small scale weight/displacement measurements to see how much water a given amount of urea would displace, then easy to do the math on your larger tank. I then bubbled air with a little compressor and one way valve from Princess auto into the bottom and as I recall it took a few hours to melt it. Tank got real cold though, not sure how much more could be done without a heat source. I filtered it out of the caddy and you would be surprised how dirty urea can be. If I was to do this on a large scale I had planned to use a 30,000 gallon tank I had pushing water into a 7500 gallon cone bottom tank where mixing/bubbling happened and then offload those batches onto my 7500 gallon water trailer to nurse sprayer. I think a guy could dissolve and blend probably as fast as a sprayer could dribble it on, just would need to be set up proper. Urea is supposed to be safer on a living plant. I had no interest in frying leaves off my wheat like usually happens with UAN top dress. Just should be domestic urea, offshore stuff can sometimes have an ingredient that is hard on the crop(can't remember what it's called ATM...) What rate were you putting on your wheat? How much crop injury did you see? Do you think a program like that would work to top dress corn? Sorry for all the questions. Its just something I thought of that might work in corn. |
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Post by SWMan on Feb 15, 2022 6:55:50 GMT -6
If memory serves correct it was 10 US gal/acre of 10% solution which gave approximately 10#/acre of actual N. I could be a bit off, wasn't over 10# and could have been slightly under. I didn't see any crop damage or yield reduction but did apply with my Prosaro and saw a slight increase in fusarium probably from reduced efficacy of that product. I think with streamer nozzles a guy could apply a pretty good rate on any crop and not smoke it, but I never got that far.
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Post by totaledmygn on Feb 15, 2022 11:51:32 GMT -6
I haven't shopped around for fertilizer prices the following are quotes from my local retailer. I don't have bins so these are store until spring pricing. December 23 2021 N-$1360,P-$1350,K-$1150,S-$860,Esn-$1518. February 11 2022 N-$1200,P-$1316,K-$1125,S-$860
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Post by torriem on Feb 15, 2022 21:17:37 GMT -6
Glad to see prices have softened somewhat. I think the best we can hope for is for them to remain steady at the current level through spring planting.
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Post by torriem on Feb 15, 2022 21:18:41 GMT -6
Urea is supposed to be safer on a living plant. I had no interest in frying leaves off my wheat like usually happens with UAN top dress. Just should be domestic urea, offshore stuff can sometimes have an ingredient that is hard on the crop(can't remember what it's called ATM...) I'm not sure any of my local retailers sell domestic urea. Everything I have access to is imported. |
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Post by totaledmygn on Feb 24, 2022 16:30:23 GMT -6
Right on cue input retailer sent text they have concern about rising fertilizer prices due to Russia invasion. Fob gulf urea march went up $135.00 in one day. Not much time left to deal with a jump in price and then a decrease before seeding. Thoughts?
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Post by SWMan on Feb 24, 2022 19:20:05 GMT -6
Right on cue input retailer sent text they have concern about rising fertilizer prices due to Russia invasion. Fob gulf urea march went up $135.00 in one day. Not much time left to deal with a jump in price and then a decrease before seeding. Thoughts? Last retail I spoke with a couple days ago said it's going back up again. I asked if a guy wandered in during seeding would there be fertilizer to buy, answer was maybe not. I don't see how it takes a drastic drop in price at this point, but I have been wrong before. Still a good ROI on fertilizer if we can get rain. |
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Post by kevlar on Feb 25, 2022 17:12:41 GMT -6
Ended up booking most of the rest of our fertilizer today, as bad as it is, anything can happen now. Left a little unbooked in case one of the two places we bought from run out one day we can hopefully get some from the other. Also if the prices drop, we didn’t buy it all at the peak! lol
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Post by Oatking on Feb 25, 2022 19:08:31 GMT -6
So if China is flying fighters over Taiwan, and follows Russia's path to take over that country , what would another trade war with china look like. If it was like two years ago we might be lucky! At least the US helps there farmers a bit , whereas in Canada trudeau gives millions away to other countries and ignores his own farmers and truckers.
I really worry the next trade war with China could be brutal. China can starve there people if it means bringing down the US market. Very scary times. I started selling beans off the combine for oct 2023. Have some wheat targets and more bean targets going for 23 harvest. around 15 bucks a bushel for nov 2023 for beans is triggering ( not too too bad ). I tried pricing canola but bungi is not willing to contract that far out. Maybe that is good thing and stops my pre selling madness! he he he!
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Post by shmiffy on Feb 25, 2022 19:34:59 GMT -6
There will be more crush capacity in western Canada as time goes on. We are basically sold out on canola, there would have to be a huge crop to screw things up.
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