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Post by SWMan on Sept 5, 2021 12:01:37 GMT -6
I'm thinking the guys who say their lighter soil is doing better than heavier soil on a dry year have a different view on what's dry. I did a wheat field yesterday and on the lighter patches I'd be surprised if the wheat was doing 15 and barely tall enough to cut, on the better land it was probably 80+. Quite the range in a field and I figure it boils down to water holding ability.
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Post by Oatking on Sept 5, 2021 12:39:42 GMT -6
I agree swman, I always take it with a grain of salt when guys further south of me think they have heavy land. I dont think most guys even know the composition of there soils for that matter especially if its rented land. Osbourne clay is one of the nastiest clay soils to work with while my red river loam is really nice to seed into. Both are heavy clay soils but osbourne clay soils tip the scale as the heaviest. The crop insurance letter system is really not a great indicator of soil health. The osborne clays have a really poor water infiltration rate while my light red river loam absorbs water much easier so yes the guys who say there lighter land may produce more it is more a matter of water holding capacity due to less compaction of the hard pan underneath, thus allowing more infiltration than runoff. Try an experiment, get a coffee can and cut the bottom end off. than push it into the ground about an inch. Than poor about 750 ml of water which is roughly equal to an inch of rain. Than time how long it takes to absorb. Next take another 750 ml and pour it into the coffee can. Time the absorbing rate again. If you have good soil it will absorb the second inch in 2-4 minutes. My osborne clay couldnt handle the second inch and took more than 30 minutes to obsorb. More rain , and it just gets worse so the lesson is to get the soils healthier with more cover crops or getting more life into the soil after you harvest your crop till freeze up. easier said than done. I am told deep ripping or tile drainage or only temporary fixes. This year that f land or osbourne clay zero tilled with a cover crop of oats growing till freeze up last fall yielded 39 bu acre while the neighbours salford disc field yielded 10 bushel canola. Funny thing his field looked even until the winds came and sheared off the canola. in the end his just ran out of moisture.
We have a wealth of information now on conservation tillage and if this drought persists it might change the way we think about growing crops. I know , the guys out west this common practice already.
I am trying zero tillage on those osborne clay soils to try and get more organic matter and carbon back into the sub soils instead of cultivating and making the hard pan even harder. The myth of zero tillage turning your soil hard is (pardon my expression) horse $hit. Its the opposite and anyone thinking its damaging their soil obviously is not doing regenerative soil practices right.
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Post by slipclutch on Sept 5, 2021 13:01:55 GMT -6
Well. Zero tilling Osborne clay which it have lots of. Yes you can zero till it for about 3 years then it will get so hard that nothing or very little will grow. Yes I have zero tilled 25 years ago. I learned my lesson on this. Big time. Other words I got kicked in the nuts so hard that I had a hard time getting up. Oh and the infestation of dandelions is unreal
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Post by slashnburn on Sept 5, 2021 13:41:34 GMT -6
Dandelions are easy, just give them 2L of gly and a shot of express.
GR kochia on the other hand...
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Post by slipclutch on Sept 5, 2021 14:20:26 GMT -6
No doubt but after awhile the chemical bill will kill you.
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Post by garyfunk on Oct 2, 2021 7:20:31 GMT -6
Finished harvest last night and for the year we've had I'm ecstatic with the canola yields. My thinking is that sincr the breeding programs have been pushing for more varieties to suit the south that there's a bit of heat/drought tolerance bred into these newer lines.
Everything goes through the cart and our canola averaged (drum roll please 😄) just shy of 30. Actually only a third of the acres were less than 30 with one field really dragging down the average. Huge seeds from the mid August rain really contributed to the yield.
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Post by bap on Oct 10, 2021 12:43:56 GMT -6
We had canola on 3 types of fields this year and it was just luck of the rotation...the first 120 acres on land that 25 would have been a bumper went around 15...the next 130 which is decent land but a bit on the high side for the area was around 25...the last 400 which is basically swamp went around 35.
Not great however not bad considering the year...wide variations in the area plus a strip of hail went through wrecking yeilds from ripe canola that was standing that actually looked pretty good.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 25, 2021 9:08:57 GMT -6
A note of interest, I was watching Mike Mitchell's youtube yesterday and he was turning canola that was hot, he said it tested 7.5 when they combined it!! I have small bins and no monitors and don't usually have trouble at that moisture level but I was keeping an eye on it this year and some was warmer than it should have been, it was 7.5 at the elevator too (I hauled it in, so now no worries). KEEP CHECKING YOUR BINS is the bottom line here.
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Post by Beerwiser on Nov 26, 2021 22:53:59 GMT -6
Has anyone noticed canola heating yet? I know a quite a few people hold out for higher prices. None have monitors either.
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Post by kevlar on Nov 27, 2021 9:36:40 GMT -6
Have heard of quite a bit in this area starting to heat. We had some getting warm so shipped it out a month ago, still have a bin of dad’s, have moved it a couple times and it seems to be keeping good, will pull a load out next week. He wants to keep it until January so he can defer it to 2023, wish I had that problem! lol, he’s pretty much retired so it’s mostly a game for him now. One guy at Viterra said one day he had a sample that would have been easier to count the seeds that weren’t heated. Yikes. We very seldom store canola, just fin the risk is too high. Sell it, pay bills, and sleep easy.
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 27, 2021 10:29:05 GMT -6
The canola that was getting warm, had it gone into a non aerated bin as well as coming off the field quite warm to begin with. That seems to be one issue that can sure get canola going but the other is it not actually being totally cured even if it may register dry as oil seeds can be a funny thing and why up here anyway it prefers to be in a swath and for a long time to cure out completely. If cut straight and like this fall there were all sorts of green or under cured seed in the sample as one neighbour was finding out as the moisture level for the weather condition didn't add up as it should have been so dry and yet was not even quite dry, he got that hauled out right away before it could heat on him.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 27, 2021 10:50:47 GMT -6
Ours was swathed for 3 weeks with 3" of rain, so green count was 0. 22 and 25' swaths. I am hearing that 40' swaths don't dry because not enough air movement is possible so the bottom stays green, kind of like the beaver huts that make combining a bit more interesting, they are generally as green as when they were cut. I think it was binned in a 22-25 degree range, so should be good. ADM told me a few years ago when straight cut was starting to be the rage that they had never seen so much heating trouble, coincidence?
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Post by kevlar on Nov 27, 2021 13:48:15 GMT -6
Was put in a non air bin (yes I know), but like I said, we don’t store it long, haul out as soon as we find room somewhere. Wasn’t warm when it was put in, but some testing around 9. Straight cutting definitely can cause more issues, even guys that dessicate have issues, even heard of guys with stuff around 7% starting to heat.
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 27, 2021 14:30:57 GMT -6
Well I know I sure don't have air of any sort on every bin, nor the fans to get onto bins I even do have in a short amount of time either so I know the feeling. What bites guys up here is if the canola comes off earlier in the fall then normal and we happen to have a run of unusually hot weather which does two things, the canola becomes dry sooner in a swath and its coming off hot. Later in the fall the days tend to be cool and even if the canola comes off barely dry its much cooler and has probably sat in a swath for over a month. For example this fall different evenings I would have canola coming off colder then the chart for the grain tester and that happens to work in ones favour to plunk into a non aerated bin. Not to mention that our nights are probably cooler on average then southern Sask/Manitoba so when fans are turned on it has a better chance of cooling to a lower temp.
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Post by carlos on Nov 27, 2021 18:23:16 GMT -6
All my canola was swathed and when combined, had a bunch of green canola leaves coming in the hopper from all the regrowth. That could be a reason why some canola is heating if it wasnt in an air bin or not turned.
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