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Post by slipclutch on Dec 15, 2020 22:53:50 GMT -6
Key word fleet. Lol. That’s what you’ll need to keep up with a case. Lol. Just kidding bud.
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Post by Mags on Dec 17, 2020 21:00:19 GMT -6
I'd vote for 2012-14 CR8090-9090. DSP will be updated by now in those years (hate ASP) and can't remember if last 9070's had the high speed rotors or it was the 8090 first model year. Found that made quite an increase capacity in wheat, think it was 200-300 increase. Delete them first thing if they are not already. So I guess I'm suggesting you buy your old 9090 elevations back. haha. Would probably cost 2/3 - 3/4 cost of your current machine for 2.
If want tier 3 you need to be older than 2012 (I think}. CR9070 would still get my vote. Great machines but not many around with lower hours that I have found. So plan on some wrenching or pay the right price and spend the money and go right through them.
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Post by bob123 on Dec 17, 2020 21:13:26 GMT -6
So for guys looking to buy a 2010-2014 combine, what hours are you realistically hoping for? 1000-1200? Find the odd one that's been sitting in a dealer lot for a couple years at 800 but alot are getting into 1600+ by now
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Post by kevlar on Dec 17, 2020 21:57:13 GMT -6
Certainly getting harder to find lower houred units for sure. I believe there are more and more people going to two older machines instead of one new one. We are also considering doing this after the price quote we got this fall to trade up a couple years, could keep our bought and paid for, babied and well maintained machine, and get another machine that was newer and had less hours than the one the dealer wanted to sell for less than the trade difference. At first I thought it might be just our dealership, as we have no other dealers left for NH to deal with, but have heard others say the same with other brands, so it's industry wide I assume. I have been getting the feeling, for a few different reasons, that things aren't so rosy currently for dealerships, and they are feeling the pinch.
It's not that running older equipment is cheaper, it's just got that buying new is no longer feasible.
As far as what brand or model to go with, I have been impartial to New Holland, mainly just because we have had them for so long. CX's are cheep to own and operate, but don't compare to CR's in our conditions and crops grown. Had a couple different CR 90970's and never had any issues with them, but fuel usage was quite a bit more than our current Cx. Dealer support is a huge consideration when running older machines, as you will be needing more parts and service. But if equipped you can save a bundle doing repairs and maintenance in the off season, giving you time to shop around and do some price checking. Preferably get 2 of the same model and/or year, makes keeping parts on hand easier. Likely all brands are the same, but I know NH likes to change filters often, we have several sitting on the shelf that we bought for one model then traded up a couple years and they no longer fit.
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Post by seeker on Dec 17, 2020 22:32:39 GMT -6
I just looked at the aem number for how many combines sold yet in 2020 and its down from last year by 10% just shy of 1300 units. A far cry from what was 10 years ago. If you are having a hard time find a good used combine from 2010-2015 now then good luck in the next five to ten years as sales of new have halved. Here is a video talking about the used market, has lots of info.
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Post by cptusa on Dec 17, 2020 22:57:49 GMT -6
Heritage CIH machines are tough to beat in simplicity, maintenance and longevity.
Certainly probably not the small grains machine you desire though.
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Post by slipclutch on Dec 18, 2020 7:06:15 GMT -6
Just listened to the webinar. That’s some good info and in site on the use and new market.
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Post by torriem on Dec 18, 2020 22:50:01 GMT -6
Interesting webinar. I'm not sure what to think of it! OEMs are pressuring dealers to sell more at higher prices. Just don't know how that's going to work.
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Post by rod on Jan 9, 2021 15:46:09 GMT -6
Interesting webinar. I'm not sure what to think of it! OEMs are pressuring dealers to sell more at higher prices. Just don't know how that's going to work. Yep .... they certainly are. However, I think that depends upon the colour, the location & the dealership. JD dealerships in OZ ..... & I expect many other places in the world ..... have been “encouraged” to get bigger, & now there is virtually no competition between dealerships as they often cover well more than a 600k radius. Case has moved down the same “encouraging road” with their dealers of late as well! So once you limit competition, there is much less enthusiasm to “apply greater bonuses” to the purchase price........ unless there is a “conversion” sale in the offing! Then the purchase price “bonuses” miraculously gets much greater! Draw your own conclusions from that practice! Loyalty (to a brand) has a cost ........ Getting back to the stratospheric prices ......... with the sale of bigger machines (arguably with more capacity) to fewer customers - because farms are getting bigger, the incentive to lower the buy-in price is not there. The days of dealerships having half a dozen 2388’s or 9600’s etc. on the floor ...... are gone. Most machines are made to order i.e. they must have a name against the order to build before even a frame goes down the line. “JIT” at its pinnacle of theory! So I’m thinking that used machines values (combines for you ..... headers for us😁) is going to go up, or not falling through the floor ...... unless there’s a sustained period of drought or very low grain prices ...... then prices will drop. But they’ll probably drop a lot then because people have held onto them for longer than they would normally because “next year it’ll rain & we’ll need them” ..... 2 or 3 years older ...... 2-500hours more than desirable. ...... the price drops. The “retail price” is extremely rude of all of them. The “OEM purchase bonus” is a total sales psychological bullshit trick. The “zero or 0.1%” OEM finance is another sales hook. They’ve already built in the interest cost into the machine ...... the more of your money you put into the deal .... the lower your interest rate is. Funny how that works isn’t it? So what’s the longer term answer ? Buggered if I know! 🤷🏻♂️ If you’re in the game (farming or contracting) it’s going to get more expensive & those costs need to be passed on.
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Post by torriem on Jan 9, 2021 18:32:21 GMT -6
Absolutely true. The used market is going up a lot. Not just farm machinery. Used cars at all time high prices. Wish we could pass on our costs!
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Post by bob123 on Jan 9, 2021 23:51:45 GMT -6
Theres a bunch of equipment models 8-12years old where the 5 year auction high was 2020
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Post by meskie on Jan 10, 2021 0:05:27 GMT -6
Was talking to the sales manager at our local NH dealer and he said it’s getting hard to find equipment that guys want. New or used. Told me combines and T9 tractors are sold out
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Post by bob123 on Jan 10, 2021 0:23:16 GMT -6
Just scrolled through marketbook and the average price for a cr with similar age/hours to mine is 30% higher then I paid 5 years ago. Nuts
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Post by Oatking on Jan 13, 2021 17:18:18 GMT -6
Which ten year old combine do you guys feel kept the best resale value. I had to step in here and give some love to the deeres and feel they retain the best value . Marketbook is interesting to flip thru but, to me they are highly inflated and when a dealer has a price that seems to good to be true it s possible its a wreck.
I wish i had more brand choice in combines but john deere rules the roast in the heart of the RRV.
Any one run the new fendt ideal or the new Versatile combines.
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Post by ddf on Jan 13, 2021 17:59:13 GMT -6
Which ten year old combine do you guys feel kept the best resale value. I had to step in here and give some love to the deeres and feel they retain the best value . Marketbook is interesting to flip thru but, to me they are highly inflated and when a dealer has a price that seems to good to be true it s possible its a wreck. I wish i had more brand choice in combines but john deere rules the roast in the heart of the RRV. In the heart of the RRV you can run any combine you want. It probably has the closest access to all colours in the prairies.
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