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Jun 23, 2024 9:32:45 GMT -6
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Post by Oatking on Jun 23, 2024 9:32:45 GMT -6
Did you clean out your boom filters? End cap clean outs on your boom? Couple years ago when chemical was in short supply guys sprayed steel (generic stellar). There was a few hundred acres of damage around the area. The jugs were made out of steel and hard to smash so we only did one load of it and switched chemicals. Glad we did. I didnt do the end caps . I figured running triple rinse thru the nozzles for 5 min was good . Never did that with my pull type for many years . But you are correct that has to be done . I will put ball valves on the end and carry an extra set of boom filters to swap out . I found out the hard way .
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Post by joru on Jun 23, 2024 10:01:48 GMT -6
Something what happened to me a couple times is if you have Liberty in your booms and have to park it for an hour or so, then you can have some damage for the first 100-200 ft. Liberty is a very good sprayer cleaner. On my actual sprayer i can blow out the booms and since then i don't have that issue any more.
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Jun 23, 2024 10:29:56 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Jun 23, 2024 10:29:56 GMT -6
Yes when liberty sits in the booms the centurion settles out and it’s the adjuvant that burns the canola is what I’m told. I use ammoninated water to clean before liberty and let it sit in the booms overnight if I can then do a clean water rinse before I start. Along with spraying the liberty into the ditch or yard before I start in the canola. I might be overkill for rinsing but makes me feel better
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Jun 23, 2024 11:02:39 GMT -6
Post by generalchaos on Jun 23, 2024 11:02:39 GMT -6
That happened to me years ago when I had to leave a pass on one side of the field because of the wind. I think it rained so I had to wait a couple of days. I made the pass and had a little bit left in the tank so I sprayed it on a heavier weed patch in the middle of the field. A few days later those two patches were D E D dead. Learned my lesson with Liberty.
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Jun 23, 2024 11:56:17 GMT -6
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Post by Oatking on Jun 23, 2024 11:56:17 GMT -6
I wonder if it was the centurion . The two fields I didn’t use centurion I didn’t have any problem . Prior to that the other 5 loads of centurion or contender plus liberty I had that 500 ft burn . I spray at 5 gallons an acre so 216 litres of liberty and four cases of contender is quite a strong mix . I do agitate well but why does it come out so strong initially ? When I noticed the fifth load damage that made me think how could it be burn from outshine ? Yes it seems sitting loaded overnight seemed worse . What ever is in the booms overnight must not get agitated . Is it better to blow that out before starting? Man , I feel like a green horn with my new to me sprayer ! 🤦♂️
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Jun 23, 2024 12:06:09 GMT -6
Post by joru on Jun 23, 2024 12:06:09 GMT -6
Most of the time, we are using Assure instead of Centurion, so i am not sure if that's the problem.
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Jun 23, 2024 12:40:00 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Jun 23, 2024 12:40:00 GMT -6
5 gallons with liberty/ centurion will make the burn worse for sure. I like to spray out a bit or have my booms cleaned out before I start a field.
Also a good selling feature of boom recirculating. Would solve that problem for sure.
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Post by northernfarmer on Jun 23, 2024 14:32:35 GMT -6
I didnt do the end caps . I figured running triple rinse thru the nozzles for 5 min was good . Never did that with my pull type for many years . But you are correct that has to be done . I will put ball valves on the end and carry an extra set of boom filters to swap out . I found out the hard way . I don't know if JD has a ball valve system that fits onto your sprayer but Case IH should have. I don't have part numbers and in fact I think westward parts also handles the same valves. From what I saw the valve itself doesn't fit directly, it requires a short threaded adapter that goes from the JD threads to the threads of the ball valve that I think comes on the Case IH sprayers from the factory. So a Case IH factory boom has the boom hose come into one end of each boom section ... JD T's their boom hose into each boom section so requires twice as many ball valves for clean out !. This is under the assumption that the 4720 uses the same boom thread as the 4830 I saw using these valves, however there were two locations where its so tight space wise that there is no room for these valves and the factory threaded caps still had to be used, the boom would have to be spaced out away from the spray boom bracketry to allow a valve to fit from what I figured. These ball valves are made for chemicals then and when installed oriented properly they shoot the product down to the ground like the spray nozzles as in 90 degrees from the ends of the booms. Such an addition should make flushing the booms far easier I would think and get all that chemical residue from the last chemical sprayed spit out that otherwise sits in those dead pocket area's at both ends of each boom section, these powdered chemicals that fall out of suspension and cause untold damage to the next crop type being sprayed.
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Jun 23, 2024 15:45:18 GMT -6
Post by SWMan on Jun 23, 2024 15:45:18 GMT -6
On my pommier boom with re-circulating it takes about 15-20 minutes hooked to the water truck to flush it twice and in 9 years I have not had any chemical burn issues. Never even once used finish or any tank cleaner. Those dead end boom sections are hard to clean out properly.
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Jun 23, 2024 17:25:45 GMT -6
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Post by Oatking on Jun 23, 2024 17:25:45 GMT -6
On my pommier boom with re-circulating it takes about 15-20 minutes hooked to the water truck to flush it twice and in 9 years I have not had any chemical burn issues. Never even once used finish or any tank cleaner. Those dead end boom sections are hard to clean out properly. When you say recirculating booms do you mean the rinse cycle valve ? But I understand now t try he dead end boom sections
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Post by SWMan on Jun 23, 2024 17:35:38 GMT -6
The solution flows through the boom and back to tank, when nozzles go on the valve at the tank return closes while you spray. There is a three-way valve at the return to tank as well so to clean the boom just open that and discharge to ground until it runs clean. I do that twice. Then when mixing new product the solution flows through the boom and it's primed immediately with zero wasted product and no fuss. Even if product sat in the boom overnight it would get mixed with the entire tank contents before it were sprayed. Every sprayer should have this IMO, I previously had sprayers with the endcap valves and this is a million percent better. I had no idea until I got one.
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Post by meskie on Jun 23, 2024 20:45:57 GMT -6
Had a quick 6/10 of rain this evening with some hail. A mile away there was nothing. Saw the cloud coming in the radar and glad that’s all we got.
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Post by jaymo on Jun 24, 2024 6:54:35 GMT -6
I've used Outshine on my oats for a number of years. I've never noticed it to be any worse to rinse then Stellar or any other herbicide for that matter. I don;t have recirculating booms, which is obviously the best, but I do have a factory air kit. It works really well. Blow out the booms first. Then three quick water rinses. Second rinse with a jug of household ammonia. I can usually have the sprayer triple rinsed as I drive across the field to the approach. If I'm going from a cereal to canola or beans I will pull all the filters at the yard. Also crack open all the ball valves on end of each section and drain whatever is left in the bottom of tank. There always seems to be a small pocket of liquid that will come out that looks milky. Better to be very thorough and be safe then save 20 min and have a disaster or even those embarrassing streaks.
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Jun 25, 2024 11:55:09 GMT -6
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Post by cptusa on Jun 25, 2024 11:55:09 GMT -6
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Post by kevlar on Jun 25, 2024 20:17:40 GMT -6
Had a couple decent days albeit windy but started raining this afternoon. One forecast is calling for 4 inches before the end of the week, if that plays out that should pretty well do it for the year. A high of 12 for Friday. Best case scenario is a massive hail storm in late august. I’m actually looking forward to winter now, with this weather and so wet I can’t get any other jobs done that need doing. Mosquitoes are getting bad as well.
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