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Post by Oatking on Nov 16, 2024 10:40:33 GMT -6
Plug-in hybrids seem to make some sense. Guy I know has a Jeep version. Says he can drive about 30km on a charge before the gas engine will turn on. His commute to work and home is just under 30km, so it works out well for him. If he wants to go somewhere farther it becomes just a normal gas fueled vehicle. I wondered how healthy it is for an engine to only run sporadically or for a short time . On my diesel truck I am not a fan of the auto shut off and it never shuts off when you would like it to like stopped at a drivin order window . Man if Chevy can’t get the diesel shut off technology to work properly how can we trust an ev ? It’s disappointing knowing bio fuel is not a stand alone business with our government support . When oil is 70 dollars a barrel it has to mean to government that it is the chief fuel . We should let economics dictate our fuel use and not political banter ! I might question if the 9000 rebate can be used on a golf cart or Polaris ev ? lol Well it seems the wife has out the ev debate to bed in our household with “ are you crazy “ |
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Post by meskie on Nov 16, 2024 11:11:21 GMT -6
Auto shut off has to be one of the dumbest things manufactures have put on a vehicle.
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 16, 2024 11:42:19 GMT -6
Auto shut off has to be one of the dumbest things manufactures have put on a vehicle. Speaking of the stop/start theme, how is that supposed to play nice with turbos on gasoline engines. I picture going from stop light to stop light and if one was an aggressive driver, the moment you mash the throttle the engine fires up and is under load instantly and the turbos spooling up as it accelerates, then aggressive on the brakes and comes to a stop at the next light and the engine shuts down. How does a fast spinning and heated turbo fair bearing wise and heat cycle wise doing that over and over again when in city traffic. Is there something I am missing to the picture ? |
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 16, 2024 11:47:17 GMT -6
Well it seems the wife has out the ev debate to bed in our household with “ are you crazy “
Did your wife explain her thinking behind those words, there more than likely is something she has been learning about but has not talked on the topic of EV's with you.
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Post by meskie on Nov 16, 2024 12:44:28 GMT -6
Auto shut off has to be one of the dumbest things manufactures have put on a vehicle. Speaking of the stop/start theme, how is that supposed to play nice with turbos on gasoline engines. I picture going from stop light to stop light and if one was an aggressive driver, the moment you mash the throttle the engine fires up and is under load instantly and the turbos spooling up as it accelerates, then aggressive on the brakes and comes to a stop at the next light and the engine shuts down. How does a fast spinning and heated turbo fair bearing wise and heat cycle wise doing that over and over again when in city traffic. Is there something I am missing to the picture ? There are some parameters for shut down where if the engine is too hot it won’t but it’s still a valid concern. I don’t know anybody who doesn’t shut that feature off on a vehicle they drive. |
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 16, 2024 16:26:21 GMT -6
There are some parameters for shut down where if the engine is too hot it won’t but it’s still a valid concern. I don’t know anybody who doesn’t shut that feature off on a vehicle they drive.
The key is to remember to turn that crap off each and every time its started and that is a challenge. Otherwise its trying to find some device to install to prevent it from shutting down and then I suppose the dealer can squawk at warranty just because. But yes, that whole concept of an engine that is allowed to shut down that has a turbo or turbos and doing that repeatedly when in town, it boggles my mind.
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Post by meskie on Nov 16, 2024 16:40:16 GMT -6
On the Chevy 1/2 tons you can put transmission in manual mode and not let it shift past 9th and it won’t shut off. Doesn’t change much while driving around town as it wouldn’t really ever be in 10th gear anyway.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 16, 2024 16:54:43 GMT -6
An interesting thing I hear about EV's is if it is lower than a certain % charge (like 25%?) it won't run the heater, even if it is charging, so if it is cold and you have someone ahead of you at the charger it's going to be a cold wait, or you better have a warm option to go to.
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Post by meskie on Nov 16, 2024 17:42:35 GMT -6
Ford’s solution to the heater using up battery power….. wear a warmer jacket and use the seat heater. It was a bulletin that was handed out to the F150 owners.
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 16, 2024 19:15:59 GMT -6
Ford’s solution to the heater using up battery power….. wear a warmer jacket and use the seat heater. It was a bulletin that was handed out to the F150 owners.
Dammit, I didn't receive that bulletin ... oh wait, I don't own a battery on wheels. I had heard something about them reprogramming the system so that more heat was available to the cab, but that was found to reduce the range all the more.
I haven't scoped out a variety of charger locations to get a theme of this but in of themselves as per the chargers, its not like they would necessarily be located close to a washroom or food, or a building with warmth or air conditioning depending on the time of year. Quite different I would suspect from the fuel station theme and some that would have a restaurant as part of the location and certainly a washroom and snacks.
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Post by Oatking on Nov 16, 2024 20:37:53 GMT -6
I wonder how many ev vehicle fires have occurred . Bad enough plugging in your block heater .
Last thing we need people using shady extension cords to charge their car in the garage .
Funny thing people will buy an expensive vehicle and use an old cord . I know the vehicle cord would be new because of a specific fitting at least that is what it appears to look like, but if you plug an extension on it !
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 16, 2024 21:15:54 GMT -6
That is a good question, for a while there were news reports of EV fires and how hard they are to put out, but there haven't been many lately.
It would be interesting to know how regular vehicles burn vs EV, and as a percentage of the units produced to see if it is a more or less likely event.
I have never liked the idea of attached garages because of vehicle fires.
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Post by victory on Nov 16, 2024 22:15:45 GMT -6
Bit off topic here I guess, but speaking of the auto shut off, I would like to know how the vehicle starts running and producing power that quickly just from pushing down on the accelerator.
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 17, 2024 10:49:54 GMT -6
This video is a year or more old now but gives a window into what has been happening in China with their own EV's, and not just cars but motorcycles as well. As to what is going on over on this side of the pond, good question as certain youtubers that are fire marshals or engineers keep pointing out various more recent incidents happening in various countries but what has been happening in Canada specifically is a good question. And the reason I drop this video is not only what its showing but the constant hiding of such accidents from their own Chinese people, is it possible that such occurrences are or will happen here as well. Our Liberal government pushing a no free speech agenda and constantly hiding the truth of what crap they have been up to ... and controlling our main stream media as well as our internet access beyond our boarder, its becoming harder to find out items that they would much rather we don't find out about at all.
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 17, 2024 11:09:55 GMT -6
It was wondered as to how hard it is on a hybrid vehicles engine to be used in that way of firing up cold and then run and shut down without necessarily having run up to temperature, in order to drive out the water from the engine oil and also the raw gasoline dilution into the crank case oil. I've seen that topic come up lately with oil experts as well as engineers and it is a very real issue. What I have not come across yet is the use of such a vehicle in extremely cold temperatures, it would be one thing in the summer time or a climate that is warm all year around but how the heck would an engine last very long to have the vehicle be going down the road on battery power and the engine is at -40 and then is forced to fire up to propel the vehicle under a fair load, I can't see that panning out very well. Also at such cold temps when the battery was recharged and the engine shuts down as one is going down the highway the engine would cool off rapidly with such cold air flowing through the rad and engine compartment before again forced to fire up and be under a high load over and over again. They even make special blends of oils to be used in a hybrid. I would think the climate that type of vehicle would be used in would dictate a lot in its life span, engine and battery life for that matter as the power draw is higher and the cycles back and forth more frequent.
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