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Post by kevlar on Aug 20, 2020 20:42:54 GMT -6
Probably many of you have already read this or were aware, just thought I would put it out there for anyone who didn't know about it.
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Post by SWMan on Aug 20, 2020 23:24:41 GMT -6
So are these crooks gonna ram the seed royalty thing down our throats?
I got an email the other day from the people pushing for this amalgamation, apparently someone got their email list and sent info on why people should vote against it...ha ha. Well, it was up to them to be the only source of accurate info, no dissenting opinions allowed! They got a scathing reply mail from me. Here is a C+P of that email, not sure all the links will work though:
Dear Members,
If you recently received a Seeds Canada “Vote No” message, we want you to know that this email was from some members who don’t support the proposed amalgamation and, most importantly, that this message is not endorsed by the CSGA Board of Directors.
The CSGA Board has received several requests from members about how this message, not endorsed by CSGA, was sent to CSGA members. Under Subsection 22(5) and 22(7) of the Canada Not-for-profit Corporations Act, upon request by a member, CSGA is legally obliged, under certain circumstances and subject to specific requirements, to provide that Member with a list of CSGA members. The specific requirements include a statutory declaration to CSGA which commits the member to limit use of the membership list to: i) influencing the voting of members; ii) requesting a meeting of members, or; iii) any other matter relating to the affairs of the corporation. If another member wants this option, they should submit the required declaration form via email to seedtalk@seedgrowers.ca in order to receive the membership list. The member would then be authorized to send a message to that list, providing they abide by the restrictions in the declaration.
Regarding the accuracy of the information you receive about Seeds Canada and the proposed amalgamation, CSGA can only assure that you’re getting reliable information in Seed Synergy and CSGA communications. To ensure you’re fully informed on all aspects of the amalgamation proposal, we strongly encourage all members to read through the Seeds Canada information provided at seedgrowers.ca/seeds-canada-ratification and seedsynergy.net.
With less than two weeks remaining before voting ends, we encourage you to inform yourselves, to join the online amalgamation discussion and to vote. Please read the amalgamation package we mailed you and visit our website for the most up to date information on the amalgamation. Get involved in our virtual Town Hall meetings and/or our August 27 Special General Meeting, your last chance to vote. You can also join the online amalgamation discussion 24/7 via SeedTALK, CSGA’s members-only web platform, or simply call our office for information.
On behalf of the CSGA Board of Directors,
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Post by Beerwiser on Aug 21, 2020 0:41:41 GMT -6
I think this thread should be stickied. Any objections?
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Post by torriem on Aug 21, 2020 7:34:42 GMT -6
Definitely make it sticky.
If you're a member of the CSGA and have a ballot, definitely vote no. I've learned through sad experience that the status quo is always better than the proposed change, especially when it involves doublespeak language like how it will benefit consumers and increase choice and lower costs. It astounds me the blatant and undisguised greed of the officers and owners of companies these days.
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Post by SWMan on Aug 24, 2020 23:11:36 GMT -6
So I found out I am a member and I did not receive a voting package. I emailed seedtalk@seedgrowers.ca to get an online voting card.
The deadline I believe is this Thursday at noon to vote. Funny this is all happening right in harvest time... O_o
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Post by torriem on Aug 25, 2020 7:43:37 GMT -6
And actually the amalgamation deadline is in January 2021 I believe. This particular vote is for CSGA members only. They are the ones that chose the date and deadline for this vote. And I suspect if those that are pushing for this amalgamation don't get what they want, will push for another vote later.
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Post by Lucas @ Wilger on Aug 27, 2020 12:52:49 GMT -6
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Post by torriem on Aug 27, 2020 17:48:34 GMT -6
Good to hear the results! So this probably means they'll try for another vote in a couple of months?
One thing I've learned in my short life is that usually the status quo is always better than the proposed changed when it comes to this sort of thing. Usually the positive claims are almost doublespeak. Clearly there's a benefit to amalgamating all these organizations. The key question is who are the ones that benefit?
From the article: “We firmly believe the amalgamation stood to create a global leader in seed innovation, production, processing, quality, and trade,” Hadley explains. “However, we respect the democratic process and will give these results full consideration as we discuss future direction with those Seed Synergy Partners that remain committed to a new vision for the future.” Sounds like a few people have some grand plans for power and influence.
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Post by SWMan on Aug 27, 2020 18:35:14 GMT -6
If they respected the democratic process they would listen and change course, doubt that will happen. Typical attitude of those who don't shoulder the cost and risk of giving away control of our industry. We are lucky that we held off this one, I gather that Eastern Canada mainly voted yes and the West voted no. Once you end up with only a few representatives on a very centralized system they can be easily influenced. Very few individuals would stand up at a board level in my experience, even most leaders are actually followers...
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Post by Bigtalk on Aug 28, 2020 19:54:40 GMT -6
That old bullshit sales pitch has been around forever and I'm surprised it still works.
If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that amalgamations NEVER lower costs or benefit customers. Quite the opposite in fact!
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Post by SWMan on Aug 28, 2020 21:53:53 GMT -6
Yep, already planning to try again. Got an email today from CSGA, note the verbage in the letter. They use the word "abandon" when describing what their membership just voted in favor of. Typical give-away of their true intentions. I predict another vote and it will again be in the busy season. I wonder if they actually heard, because a LOT of us are really opposed to this. I'm curious what percent of membership voted, 751 seems like a low number of votes cast for all seed producers in the entire country...
Dear CSGA Members,
As you may already be aware, the CSGA Board of Directors’ proposal to amalgamate with the Canadian Seed Trade Association, the Canadian Seed Institute, the Commercial Seed Analysts Association of Canada and the Canadian Plant Technology Agency did not achieve the requisite level of member approval in the vote concluded on August 27, 2020. With 751 total votes cast, the special resolution was defeated with 55.13% (414 votes) against amalgamation and 44.87% in favour (337 votes).
The CSGA Board will now consider its options, which, in their simplest form, can be reduced to two. Either abandon efforts to achieve a consolidation of seed sector organizations and focus on becoming the best version of ourselves possible (CSGA 2.0) OR re-engage with our amalgamation partners with a view to reaching a new Seeds Canada agreement with broader member appeal. Either way, it is important to note that our amalgamation partners must also reflect and decide on their respective organizations' next steps. The option we choose will depend as much on our partners as it does on CSGA.
While this outcome is a disappointment to our Board, we were prepared for it. The CSGA is no stronger or weaker as a result, and we have detailed plans ready to implement, irrespective of whether we choose to re-engage with our amalgamation partners. So, we will continue to keep you apprised of Board decisions in relation to this issue over the coming weeks and months. Should you have any questions or concerns, please reach out to me at seedtalk@seedgrowers.ca or call the office at (613) 236-0497 and ask for Caroline Lafontaine, Managing Director, Communications and Client Services.
Finally, let me thank all of you who took the time to participate in the process and vote. We heard your voices, loud and clear.
On behalf of the CSGA Board of Directors,
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Post by kenmb on Sept 20, 2020 16:06:02 GMT -6
Saw this today on New Ag Talk. Fits in with the rest of these topics. UN Agenda 2030 is a very real thing. Plant Breeders Rights is just another component of it all. talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=950581&posts=10&start=1The first post has a link to a document. Basically more globalist stuff centered around stopping climate change, setting sustainable development goals (SDG), making food cheap and affordable. Gender and racial equity in agriculture is another key issue, because, well, apparently it is important. One of my favorite points I saw a few times is the need to for "influencers" to be more involved in agriculture to improve food "security" (note a new buzz word of recent years). And so agriculture needs a lot of help, policy making, goal setting, etc. These experts don't seem to focus much on this fact that they print but don't address: Page 20... "The economic benefits of the sector are not shared equally across the value chain. In 2018, 8 cents of each food dollar expenditure went to farm production, while the rest of the dollar covered costs from processing, wholesale, packaging, distribution, retail, and other value chain players.31 Farmers and ranchers are caught in a price-cost squeeze due to low profit margins and high levels of risk, often experiencing economic stress and significant levels of debt. " So, apparently farmers need the heavy intervention with 8% of food costs being pinned on farmers. And if the experts do that, they can really, really address the social issues of "food security". This document also says 30% of food produced is wasted, so once again it is the agriculture sector that needs all the attention, trying to make 1/3 of all food produced more available to those who need "food security" appears to be a number too small to take on. I only got to page 20 and had enough. But anyone thinking all these topics flying around are just random, or that your representatives are going to act in your best interests, probably need to do some more reading.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 20, 2020 18:33:45 GMT -6
The link to the document on ag talk doesn't seem to work for me. Never mind, got to hit the first line.
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Post by SWMan on Sept 20, 2020 21:17:10 GMT -6
Farm production is the 8% that they don't yet control, thus the focus and intervention into our industry.
Hard to get optimistic about the future of our business when we have a huge target placed squarely on our backs. Literally everything nowadays being pushed as "for our benefit" is something to be very concerned about.
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Post by kenmb on Sept 21, 2020 7:09:48 GMT -6
That's it in a nutshell SWMan. Hope people can turn their point of view around to understand this. That linked document is basically written to say farmers are hard done by so a bunch of people are going to step in to help us. And why all our farm groups representing us are all on board with it. And farmers themselves will say it's about time we get help.
What needs to be understood is the same entities that have made it so farmers get 8% of the total pie are also the same entities that are saying they are now here to help (but doing it behind the scenes). And they intend to do that by getting even more involved in your daily operations with such things as "risk sharing", and where end point royalties fit in. As well as plant breeders rights and such.
The question we all need to answer is if farmers are squeezed so tight, why no advocacy groups are targetting those areas where the big percentages are. As Trump has been saying about the pharmaceutical industry in the last few weeks: "prescription drug costs are far too high, the middlemen are making huge profits, who are the middlemen?"
The same applies to Ag. Don't fall for the line "we are here to help". Look at what is not ever mentioned. "Food security" has zero to do with farmers, and everything to do with the entire system above it. When advocacy groups say they need to help you and don't touch any other area where the real big figures are then you need to ask what the middlemen are actually up to.
All the advocacy groups are lobbying on behalf of farmers to implement EPRs for our own good to make us more competitive. How much are they driving for ensuring up front contracts instead of EPR and ensuring public research is fully in place for decades.
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