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Post by Oatking on Jun 30, 2024 9:17:50 GMT -6
It might sound excessive to some guys but how many of you guys feel it’s necessary to own a back up semi truck incase one goes down at harvest or seeding ? With emission problems to who knows what our trucks are prone to so many problems . If your farm is running multiple combines , you need trucks to keep them going ! The reason I bring this up is I am thinking of buying an extra truck for this problem . I hate to spend in excess . Some of the smaller farmers in my area get by with just one tandem . With oats , it’s quite the day trucking with two combines . If I lost a truck I might as well send one combine home to the shed . It’s crazy how much capital we spend for only a week or two of the year . But that period is worth millions and millions . How do you guys approach this problem and do you invest in back up trucks or other machinery . ? And don’t say grow less oats ! Ha ! I also bought a back up 16-84 farm king auger to go along with my 13-95. Idea is to use the 16 inch in oats and the 13 inch in canola and soybeans because they yield less than oats . Having a back up augrr has really come in handy !
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Post by iamwill on Jun 30, 2024 10:07:24 GMT -6
Well after our truck went down during harvest a couple years ago I would say it's a good idea. The problem with ours was the wait time for parts was supposed to be 6 weeks and it turned into something like 7 months. Can't run a business like that. To rent a replacement was way to costly so we just bought another $25k truck. Unless you need your trucks to run cross country a half decent field to yard/elevator hauler won't set you back too much. I think used trucks have been coming down in price lately unless you are looking for something really nice.
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Post by kevlar on Jun 30, 2024 10:32:38 GMT -6
We used to have a back up semi. It was a pain in the butt. Unless you’re using it somewhat regularly it will deteriorate faster than the one you are using. Seemed every time we went to use it the battery would be weak, a tire would go flat, or some other little things would give us grief. We ended up putting a grain box on it and now it’s our main tandem truck. If our semi went down I think I’d rather rent one or hire a custom truck to fill in until ours was fixed. And they still need saftied every year even if they don’t move. If you do get a backup truck, switch them out every couple of weeks and use it and that might help it from deteriorating as quick.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 30, 2024 13:08:01 GMT -6
I like the idea of switching them up to keep the truck active . I agree , just sitting causes problems . Actually renting is not always an easy task . Usually neighbours need theirs when you need it . Loadline in winkler was not to keen on renting out and some of their trucks would not make it home without trouble ! I hate to have an extra truck sitting around but if your main truck goes down , you may be waiting for parts or the mechanic . Even going over it well can still cause grief ! I know a few guys right now who had their truck go down . One has yet to use his since January . His truck had a head go plus a few other things . My Peterbelt head went and my truck was in the shop for 7 months waiting on parts . Thank goodness the engine went in December . I think it’s that problem that has made me overthink this more !
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Post by northernfarmer on Jun 30, 2024 14:01:06 GMT -6
If you rounded up another truck, would you also pair that up with another trailer as well ?. If you in fact did that, that could allow you to not only use it depending on the situation as per distance from your bins but depending on who you have around for drivers to haul directly to the elevator off the field and with hangups at the elevator not disrupt your harvesting progress. And if a unit goes down your back to what you have been using number of truck wise and no panic in trying to unhook a loaded trailer to hook up another truck. The negative is the funds to have another unit ... there's always a catch !. Oh and with a unit like that and would say both truck and trailer, never to put them on winter roads or at least choose which ones will get delegated to winter use vs rusting every truck and trailer on the place.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 30, 2024 14:10:30 GMT -6
Good point northern farmer I do have a super b trailer without a truck . I own Two end dumps and a tandem truck for oat harvest . That barely gets by in oats . It’s a breeze in canola and beans .
Oats is unlike any crop . I know corn yields more but usually guys run one combine due to dryer demands . Oats is an all in crop ! I use a 1300 bushel Elmer’s . If class 1 drivers were available that would solve the problem . If I can I like to run the harvest like a clock , tick … toc ! But we know that is not always the way it goes some days ! Good point about keeping a truck specific for winter use !
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Post by Oatking on Jun 30, 2024 14:11:33 GMT -6
Good point northern farmer I do have a super b trailer without a truck . I own Two end dumps and a tandem truck for oat harvest . That barely gets by in oats . It’s a breeze in canola and beans . Oats is unlike any crop . I know corn yields more but usually guys run one combine due to dryer demands . Oats is an all in crop ! I use a 1300 bushel Elmer’s . If class 1 drivers were available that would solve the problem . If I can I like to run the harvest like a clock , tick … toc ! But we know that is not always the way it goes some days ! Good point about keeping a truck specific for winter use ! One additional expense is putting a wet kit on for the end dumps ,unless I can find a truck with one !
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Post by meskie on Jun 30, 2024 15:52:06 GMT -6
We have a truck on our water trailer that we can use if needed. No emmision problems on this farm at all.
Trucks are easier to find these days than a couple years ago. Trucks seem to get more issues from sitting not being used.
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Post by SWMan on Jun 30, 2024 20:23:27 GMT -6
Sounds like you have a lot of trucking power, two end dumps and a tandem. Do you have three drivers? If you don't then another truck isn't much use unless something goes down. There will always be a breakdown that slows the operation down unless you have a whole duplicate line of equipment. A truck going down would possibly slow you down but not stop you. One thing I would look at is does that 1300 bushel cart fill the current trailers in one stop? If not up-sizing the cart will help harvest efficiency at ALL times.
I do think there is merit for running cheaper used pieces and having excess capacity and backup units, as opposed to running crazy expensive new stuff. Personally I like to keep my stuff identical matched units so I can stock common parts and there is less risk of accidents and mistakes when stuff is the same. I have two identical semi's and trailers, in the dark you know where to step to hit the ladders and such. I used to have another older semi but it basically just got used on the water trailer and became more hassle than it was worth. I sold it and have not missed it, a semi can be a money pit for sure even if not used much. With my current trucks/trailers I am still over the capacity I absolutely need and in winter I park one to keep it clean, then use the other one the next winter, etc.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 30, 2024 21:13:52 GMT -6
Sounds like you have a lot of trucking power, two end dumps and a tandem. Do you have three drivers? If you don't then another truck isn't much use unless something goes down. There will always be a breakdown that slows the operation down unless you have a whole duplicate line of equipment. A truck going down would possibly slow you down but not stop you. One thing I would look at is does that 1300 bushel cart fill the current trailers in one stop? If not up-sizing the cart will help harvest efficiency at ALL times. I do think there is merit for running cheaper used pieces and having excess capacity and backup units, as opposed to running crazy expensive new stuff. Personally I like to keep my stuff identical matched units so I can stock common parts and there is less risk of accidents and mistakes when stuff is the same. I have two identical semi's and trailers, in the dark you know where to step to hit the ladders and such. I used to have another older semi but it basically just got used on the water trailer and became more hassle than it was worth. I sold it and have not missed it, a semi can be a money pit for sure even if not used much. With my current trucks/trailers I am still over the capacity I absolutely need and in winter I park one to keep it clean, then use the other one the next winter, etc. Good advice sw man I have a four man crew , two Combine operators , grain cart and one truck driver , which is me . You are exactly right! one extra truck won’t help much when the other three are full ! Good problem to have ! Ha ! I usually grow 0ver 50 percent of my farm to oats so the need of a truck becomes important if one goes down . My current trucks are not new ,tandem is an 05 , one semi is an 09 and the newest to me is a 15. I keep them in great shape. My cart holds about 1500 bushels of oats . My end dumps hold 1400 . So it is close to a match . I am hoping the 16 inch auger gains a bit of time between trips . One such problem with my older 2012 Loadline end dump is the gate chute size . It’s a bit small for a 16 inch auger . I need to get that chute size made larger. I like the idea of having my super b on a truck going to the elevator , but the problem is getting a guy with a class 1 periodically at harvest ! Man , when I retire , I wouldn’t mind a job like that for a few days ! When I was younger , the thought of this idea was crazy because I was just lucky to own one semi .
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Post by bob123 on Jul 1, 2024 0:21:52 GMT -6
We have 2 more semis then "needed" for surge capacity in the field. Gives more time for when some of the help just comes after a day job or one of the older guys wants to quit at 11 ect. Often just use 1 driver for the 4. Between 4 semis, grain cart and 2 combines with hopper extensions have about 9k bushels of rolling storage in the field which can get a bunch of acres done before a truck ever has to head home in canola or beans. Really only need to get all hands on deck for oats this way
Augers have been our least reliable piece of harvest equipment it seems even when late model so a good idea to have spares I think. Also something we started doing last year is instead of just having the spare sitting there waiting we have it set up on a hopper bin out of the way in case there is ever a breakdown, full bin late at night, or a load gets too wet to go in the big bin can seamlessly switch to that without downtime
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