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Post by SWMan on Oct 16, 2024 21:18:34 GMT -6
For all you corn guys, how do the economics of corn compare to other crops? Everytime I run the numbers it sounds like a no brainer, but how do you budget later harvest? Handling extra bushels? Any yield drag on the following crop? Pure crop vs crop economics looks like $200-250/ac better than small grains/oilseeds. I can make a dryer and supporting equipment pay at those numbers but these other factors are what I don't know how to calculate into the equation. I also grow canola after corn, don't think it performs any different than other stubble. I know a long time corn grower that claims his best canola is after corn, but I wouldn't make that claim myself. I have a protill and hit it twice. As far a budgeting that is somewhat subjective. Tome corn has more risk because every so often an early frost or a wet fall can lead to a serious grading issue. There is also more upside than other cereals, this year my corn is grossing almost twice what my barley is. The things that corn growers need IMO are: planter, ability to spray down the rows without tramping crop, a header and dryer. Probably some sort of disc as well. I got by for a bit with a heated pressure washer instead of a heated shop, but it wouldn't be bad to be able to thaw stuff out. Although there are drawbacks I find it a good rotational crop and a good way to deal with resistant wild oats. |
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 3, 2024 9:59:35 GMT -6
This year I had a wild oat disaster in both the wheat and Liberty canola, I think the 5th flush is still setting seed. It would appear it is group 2 resistant and it must have been a perfect year or something for them.
I am presently spreading Avadex and it is raining before I got it harrowed, does anyone have experience with this?
I will harrow this week as soon as the top dries off.
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Post by SWMan on Nov 3, 2024 21:04:56 GMT -6
This year I had a wild oat disaster in both the wheat and Liberty canola, I think the 5th flush is still setting seed. It would appear it is group 2 resistant and it must have been a perfect year or something for them. I am presently spreading Avadex and it is raining before I got it harrowed, does anyone have experience with this? I will harrow this week as soon as the top dries off. If it was liquid avadex I'd say a half inch of rain would be adequate, but granular probably needs to get harrowed in. I have both 1 and 2 resistant wild oats, avadex is a good tool but soybeans and corn are the best option. |
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 4, 2024 7:15:25 GMT -6
I have multiple resistance groups of varying severity, but when I sprayed it did kill the existing oats, but later flushes kept coming and coming, it was a strange year here, again.
I am hoping it doesn't evaporate like fertilizer, I don't know how much rain we have had, we brought the rain gauges in already. It could be a few days before I get going again as things don't dry much this time of year.
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Post by SWMan on Nov 4, 2024 9:31:51 GMT -6
I have multiple resistance groups of varying severity, but when I sprayed it did kill the existing oats, but later flushes kept coming and coming, it was a strange year here, again. I am hoping it doesn't evaporate like fertilizer, I don't know how much rain we have had, we brought the rain gauges in already. It could be a few days before I get going again as things don't dry much this time of year. I wouldn't worry about it too much, unless the rain came hard enough to physically move stuff around. Weather looks good for next week, if you were as dry as we were that rain should soak away decently fast for this time of year. Resistance is a major issue, being proactive about it is much easier than being reactive. Speaking from experience... |
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Post by jaymo on Nov 4, 2024 9:44:59 GMT -6
This year I had a wild oat disaster in both the wheat and Liberty canola, I think the 5th flush is still setting seed. It would appear it is group 2 resistant and it must have been a perfect year or something for them. I am presently spreading Avadex and it is raining before I got it harrowed, does anyone have experience with this? I will harrow this week as soon as the top dries off. avadex is a good tool but soybeans and corn are the best option. Seems like soybeans after oats is a good rotation too. |
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 4, 2024 12:04:18 GMT -6
I checked with the dealer and they say it's all good, harrow it in when it dries up a bit.
I was hoping to change up the chemistry with the Liberty, not sure it was all that great, I didn't expect to have the wild oats and grasses that survived, maybe it was just the year, but now not sure if I will try it again.
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Post by Oatking on Nov 4, 2024 12:09:36 GMT -6
Since I stopped tilling my land I have noticed a reduction in wild oats . I think tilling brings up old wild oats !
On my farm it’s liberty , than roundup and than oats . I do spray two shots of liberty plus some centurion . I don’t mess around with wild oats . A few can cause a disaster
Ask me why I know !!
No wheat for over 10 years and I am able to maintain a three crop rotation with oats .
Tilling the land caused problems .
Maybe if I tried sunflowers that might allow another group of chemical .
My neighbour took his sunflowers off with a 645 Draper . 60 acres an hour and cut to the ground . No stalks to drive over . He is a genius !
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 5, 2024 7:28:50 GMT -6
Oatking, that is a very interesting observation, last year I did deeptill for the first time in a long time, it was needing it though. This year I am deeptilling as well, there are so many ruts that it isn't practical to try to just do them, I am doing it all. For some reason there are a lot of holes dug all over, not sure if it is badgers or coyotes mostly, but it is amazing, trouble is they have done more since I cultivated, I may have to redo some, those holes are big.
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Post by meskie on Nov 5, 2024 8:53:51 GMT -6
Wild oats need friction to germinate. They will sit on or in the soil till they are disturbed
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 5, 2024 9:23:01 GMT -6
I also think they have a very long time that the seed stays viable as well.
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Post by meskie on Nov 5, 2024 12:22:24 GMT -6
I also think they have a very long time that the seed stays viable as well. We have broke up hay land that was close to 25 years old and had wild oats grow. |
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Nov 5, 2024 12:41:04 GMT -6
I have heard 30 years, so that would support it.
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