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Post by kevlar on Jun 4, 2024 8:09:52 GMT -6
Something I got thinking about last night OD, when you calibrate your tank, do you do a stationary calibration or a moving one? I know a couple guys that used to get frustrated because they could never get the tank set right even though they calibrated it, they just did a stationary one, I suggested they tried a moving calibration, that's how we do it and I find it more accurate. I honestly don't calibrate my drill for seeding, I've found where things need to be set and tweak accordingly as I go.(I can almost hear the gasps already!!lol) We do calibrate the one my brother uses for putting on urea because it seems to be a little more finiky, then once it's set the dealer gets another load in and it's different so it throws the settings off .
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Post by Oatking on Jun 4, 2024 8:12:32 GMT -6
With so many size differences in seed these days and some companies rip us off on size instead of weight on canola seed you need good precise calibration and a lot of sprockets on hand or a transmission that can fine tune the flow of seed.
On my jd 1910 cart one click on the transmission is .3- .4 of a pound . That is as low of a change I can do on the transmission . I find the jd calibrations runs about 8% faster so I adjust based on that .
I remember in the old days seeding with 36 Massey s and than the big step up to 360 Massey discers we used a 72 tooth and a 12 tooth sprocket ! No calibrations back than . Just trail and error . We also added insecticide granular to the seed to dilute the rate down ! Can anyone remember what the name of the redish pellets insecticide granulars were called ? Memory says it worked way better than what is put on seed now but I think it killed the fish which is not good . Somebody on here will remember !
When I ran my 4350 cart I remember having to run to the dealer for different numbered sprockets . Had quite the collection on the shaft holder ! Good simple tank .
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Jun 4, 2024 8:17:40 GMT -6
We do stationary with a hand crank. Yes things do change with fills, one year I went from one batch of canola to a different one and we went from 4lbs/acre to 8+, ran out and wondered why, checked and found the new stuff flowed out a lot faster. The heavy seeded stuff was a stand of dense thin stalks and yielded similar or a bit less than the proper rate stuff. I don't think heavier seeding rates pay off in canola. Usually wheat and fertilizer are accurate, just canola gives me grief. Our results are written on the side of the tank with the calculations.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 4, 2024 8:18:17 GMT -6
Something I got thinking about last night OD, when you calibrate your tank, do you do a stationary calibration or a moving one? I know a couple guys that used to get frustrated because they could never get the tank set right even though they calibrated it, they just did a stationary one, I suggested they tried a moving calibration, that's how we do it and I find it more accurate. I honestly don't calibrate my drill for seeding, I've found where things need to be set and tweak accordingly as I go.(I can almost hear the gasps already!!lol) We do calibrate the one my brother uses for putting on urea because it seems to be a little more finiky, then once it's set the dealer gets another load in and it's different so it throws the settings off . I am the opposite , I calibrate quite often . I right down each one over the course of the season . My oat calibration stayed pretty steady all thru seeding which gives me confidence everything is working right . Lots of guys complain of bridging in oats on there jd air tanks. I do cycle the gates often and try to seed out the tank empty between fills . But I know the first day , calibrations can change over 100 acres .
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Jun 4, 2024 8:21:41 GMT -6
We used to mix the Vitavax powder into the rapeseed using an old butter churn, we wore a bandana over our face so it was safe. Then we hand mixed that into the fertilizer blend to dilute it down.
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Post by SWMan on Jun 4, 2024 8:22:51 GMT -6
I have a 6700 tank with a PDM pro low output auger and easily putting down 2-2.5# of canola and it's been pretty accurate on canola and inoculant and grass seed. Not sure if that auger would work for higher rate stuff or not. I always do a stationary calibration and it runs about 7% higher in the field usually. When I had a 3225 it was not super consistent as I recall, the rate often wanted to climb. But it had a double flight auger only I think.
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cropgrower
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Post by cropgrower on Jun 4, 2024 8:36:34 GMT -6
i also have a morris air drill , Morris tank is far more accurate and consistent than the 3225 Bourgault , but used the 8810 this year to seed conola as it was pretty wet conditions for us , air drill packs a bit too much in wet i think but does a great job when drier
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Post by meskie on Jun 4, 2024 8:41:32 GMT -6
Stationary calibration on our 7700 tank and on the 6450 before that. On our 2155 and 3225 tanks always did a moving calibration. Had a line on the tire of the tractor dad would count the rotations of to get the feet before we had gps with a foot counter. We never calibrated canola on our 3225. Just used last years setting and put two bags in and see how many acres we would get. The low tank alarm would go off with 1 bag left in it. So if we got 10-12 acres it was good.
3225 had the granular tank that we used for canola so you could set the rate way slower and independent of the fertilizer. It had two different clutches on it so you could set two different rates and flip a switch to change. We had one for canola and one for corn. Neighbour is still using that tank and is still working good for him.
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Post by cliffh on Jun 4, 2024 11:32:45 GMT -6
Oatking, the reddish granular insecticide that used to be used was Counter 5G. It was premixed in the bag, so we put on 10 lbs of product to get 5 lbs of seed. Yes, easier to use in the discers. We had International discers.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 4, 2024 15:13:27 GMT -6
Oatking, the reddish granular insecticide that used to be used was Counter 5G. It was premixed in the bag, so we put on 10 lbs of product to get 5 lbs of seed. Yes, easier to use in the discers. We had International discers. Thanks , amazing how technology has changed . Maybe the insecticide was better back than ! Least back than a bag of canola was 150 dollars or so , so if you messed up and seeded 7 lbs it was not the end of the world ! I know when I started seeding canola I budgeted for around 10 dollars an acre . Back then canola was around 8.5 a bushel. I dare say we might not be that further ahead in net dollars now a days !!! A lot better now with equipment you can control calibrations ! I remember dad saying … the discers would bounce a lot and change the flow rate of canola and even flax seed ! ! It was all gravity feed ! And it was not like sand thru an hour glass !!! With discers , calibrations were done by visiting with the neighbours to see what rate they applied ! More like trail and error ! It’s interesting , my grampa used a seed drill , and just before he retired he got discers ! My dad used discers his whole career . I started with Massey discers but now using a disc drill which is similar to my grampas seed drill ! It will be interesting how seeding changes in the next two generations !
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