KellyM
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Post by KellyM on Aug 14, 2020 9:51:39 GMT -6
Looking at putting in some airbags for my 2016 Chevy 1500. Looking online there seem to be a lot of options out there, but I thought I would ask here for some suggestions. Also, for you guys that have airbags on already, what is your opinion of them overall? How do they last and work in cold weather? Do they make the ride a lot rougher or smooth it out? Just looking to add some extra suspension for pulling those implements that have heavy tongue weight but pull easy such as the round baler, etc. out to the field from the yard. Thanks
Edit- My other option would be to add another leaf spring, but that seems like it would surely make the ride rougher and be more expensive?
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Post by Beerwiser on Aug 14, 2020 10:55:25 GMT -6
I have on my 98 dodge 1 ton. Never had a problem with them. As far as ride goes, well its a dodge. Rides like a tank at the best of times.
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Post by northernfarmer on Aug 14, 2020 21:48:04 GMT -6
I've only had anything to do with the ride rite air bags on pickups which is made by Firestone and is that double bellows style air bag so I don't know what the characteristics are of the straight smooth wall style for lack of a better term. Companies always like to brag up their products and the wonderful performance your going to get out of it but like anything, add on air bags come with their quirks. I've installed them on older chev half tons but I see from looking at a video that more then likely most air bag kits for the 2016 chevy half ton is going to go in the same spot which is directly under the frame. The downfall of that is that the jounce bump stop can't be there any longer so now its the air bag that takes the hit internally if the axle bottoms out and why they will most likely say to maintain a certain minimum pressure in the air bag to help prevent bottoming the bag. Then there is the issue around air leakage, it doesn't take much air leaking out to lower the pressure a lot as there is so little air volume in an air bag, reminds me of inflating a bicycle tire and yes with every vehicle that has had air bags put on it that I've been around air loss was the more frustrating issue of these kits. I've never put on a kit that had the gauges in the cab and the compressor and controller ( your talking a lot more money then and running crap into the cab ) but those kits exist as well. The air bags are pretty tough though so unless one gets cut that doesn't seem to be the sore spot of these bags, its that darned air leaking out of fittings and then having to change the pressure as required and the air available to do it as your load changes. The air bags I am referring to can be inflated to 100 psi and carry they say 5000 lb additional weight, that is fricken rock hard and yes that lifts the vehicle back up but the ride would not be good at all and extremely hard on the truck because now so much of the weight is being carried on that single point on the frame and in fact could bend the frame and also its placing the weight more inboard on the axle housing. With this style of airbag anyway I find the ride to be no better to worse vs having a bit more spring if the truck is sadly lacking in spring capacity but better vs a truck that has wimpy springs and no air bags and hits the bump stops hard ( depends on how the bump stops are made and the older chev trucks didn't have the fancy progressive bump stop your 2016 has ). The pressures I've run when loaded were in that 30 and a bit higher range in reference to riding a bit rougher, much higher pressures would be awful. The end result with whatever I've had to do with a few different trucks is that a leaf was added per side on a half ton ( again older trucks then yours and a different spring style and length ) so that they could actually carry a reasonable load without requiring help with the air bag. Having spewed out that slightly rantish thought, its not that air bags have no place but they just aren't the no brainer leave it and forget it miracle cure that is claimed and sometimes a bit more leaf spring can do the job and not have to fiddle with it. But I hear you that over doing the leaf spring pack can turn a smooth car riding truck into a rough riding pack mule and I have zero experience with your vintage of truck to know what modifying the pack would do to your ride, perhaps talking to someone who actually knows something at a spring shop might help give you some insight. And last but not least, the fact is you are possibly way overloading your truck and suspension and I hope that isn't over taxing the trucks semi float axle and so forth and I bet your front end is coming up a certain amount as well, sure want to drive slow with an over loaded hitch load like that, added springs or air bags.
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anvil
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Post by anvil on Aug 19, 2020 11:17:29 GMT -6
I have a 3/4 ton farm beater that has helper bags... I air them up a bit and it does level out with tools and full 90 gal tidy tank in the back. I did have issues with air leaks and solved that problem by adding some sealant [believe its loctite 515 or 518] non hardening sealer. A little around the air line before sliding it into the push in style fittings and they were good all summer.... looking at it this summer looks like one lost some pressure over winter.
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absk
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Post by absk on Aug 19, 2020 20:35:11 GMT -6
I have a 3/4 ton that the guy before me put air bags on. They are the double bellows style one that NF describes. After having used them for a couple years now I can safely say I will be putting air bags on any truck I own in the future. I absolutely love them. Running empty with no trailer I set them for between 20 and 30 psi, sometimes it’s a month or two before I check them and they seem to hold pretty well. when I have a trailer on I add air to maintain normal ride height yes sometimes I put in 100psi in them and the truck handles perfectly, look at your semi when it’s loaded at harvest time the gauge reads 100psi but it rides smooth because it has the weight to counter the air. same apples to air bags on a pick up. Long story short I like them and recommend them
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Post by northernfarmer on Aug 19, 2020 22:36:14 GMT -6
absk, I was wondering when you were pumped right up to full pressure while pulling a trailer, were you on any horrible frost heave paved roads or pounded out gravel roads. The reason I ask is that a relatively smooth road will not show up the ride stiffness but also keep in mind the original poster has a half ton truck and those frames are far weaker and my fear is if one pushes the limits too much by depending on that air bag to carry a large portion of the load, a rough road could indeed bend the frame with a weighted down receiver type load. Even highway tractors suffer that fate if they are light spec'd in the frame area where the suspension is mounted and loaded up and driven on harsher roads as the frame will bend/buckle over where the air bag pad sits. Also with at least some highway tractors they are set up with a leaf spring/air bag system so that as the air bag sees an increase in load so does the leaf spring carry its proportional amount of weight rather then going along for the ride like a pickup with a highly inflated air bag taking away from what the spring pack would have otherwise experienced had it been allowed to share that increase in load. I just don't want to see KellyM driving around in a banana truck, I doubt he would be happy with that result !.
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absk
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Post by absk on Aug 20, 2020 13:26:20 GMT -6
I’ve went down some bad roads pulling the camper to the lake. It’s a 30’ bumper pull that weighs just over 10000 pounds and that’s were I need a hundred pounds in the bags. But it’s all relative with that big load when you hit a big bump the suspension seems quite soft. The driver must apply a little common sense as well, like if it’s a rough road slow down a bit it’s not a speed race when your pulling a heavy load. i would think he would be just fine and it’s not like your pulling heavy loads everyday with a half ton it’s just for those few times a year when he needs it
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Post by northernfarmer on Aug 20, 2020 17:31:57 GMT -6
I couldn't help but break out with a laugh when you assumed that common sense prevails ( that's laughing at the dim witts out there ), unfortunately not everyone seems to possess common sense or logic and do like you were doing by being slow and careful with the heavy load on the rougher road. I swear some people leave their brain at home with the way they drive with an RV for example on frost heave highways, saw some scary stuff just yesterday in fact with a guy flying down the highway and even passing people who were already speeding and his receiver style holiday trailer was just jumping and crashing and I thought to myself yup, he must figure by god if the sign says you can go 110 km I'm going to go at least 5/10 k over if not faster because I have the power !. No wonder holiday trailers have axles that fail or in fact rip right off from the frame and frames that bend permanently with intelligence like that at the helm . But anyway some people are easy on equipment and some people are a hazard to everyone around them but no doubt darken the doors of the repair shops often. Maybe a bit off topic of the air bag issue but it all comes down to the same thing which is not to push components to and beyond the limits as it usually bites a person in the rear sooner or later.
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KellyM
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Post by KellyM on Aug 22, 2020 9:48:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the opinions guys! I'll have to do a bit more research and see if anyone else has a similar truck that they put airbags on and what they think of them. I figure I should be fine considering that I wouldn't really need the extra capacity all that often and I wouldn't be going a hundred miles an hour down rough grid roads.
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Post by northernfarmer on Aug 22, 2020 17:09:22 GMT -6
I had seen some photos the other day that showed a chev pickup having airbags installed but I don't know if it was your exact model so am only guessing your bump stops ( jounce bumper ) gets removed for a typical air bag installation as I think I had mentioned before. But what I was going to point out if its available for your particular truck and isn't somehow a negative, is that I see there is a bag designed with the bumper internally and that could be a good thing. Its not like I am endorsing this particular air bag company at all but using the info/photos on their site to show you what i am referring to. Its inside what they call their loadlifter 5000 "Ultimate" airbag and you would have to go through the model and bed length of your truck to see if that is an option or not with this company. But basically just giving you a heads up such a thing exists so your aware of it. In their instructions it says that style air bag can be safely run with no air pressure due to that bump stop, now how soft or hard the bump stop is, well that is a question for sure as well.
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Post by Oatking on Aug 26, 2020 6:27:35 GMT -6
I put them on my 2018 RAM outdoorsman because coil spring tend to sag under load like hauling a skid of canola bags. It made a difference. Other than a stiffer ride compared to riding on coils not too many draw backs. I got the kit with the air lines on the licence plate holes. I know it costs a 1000 dollars more but would invest in the air pump with the remote control air adjustment in the cab. My research into airbags concluded don't buy the bags that fit inside the coils. apparently lots of airbags fitted inside the coils rub against the coil and wear holes in them when underinflated. Mine Bolt on beside the coils.
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