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Post by Oatking on Apr 15, 2023 7:27:39 GMT -6
Never knew that is how they counted machine hours.
Hey do you guys remember in the late 80s a I think it was when POWER UP brand oil was all the rage. We added that additive to all our equipment back then. Dad put it in all the machines. Never seen it since ours ran out. We both kept service records and its interesting going back in time seeing what service we did on equipment. The stunning details from those years is no major repairs compared to todays equipment. Specifically from 2005 on wards equipment seems more prone to all kinds of faults , just due to all the technology failing.
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Post by northernfarmer on Apr 15, 2023 8:05:33 GMT -6
Were there other tractors like that? I thought I remembered hearing that earlier Deere’s were like that as well?
I've assumed the engineers back then took that hour meter calculation into the engine oil change intervals and other service intervals for that matter as well. A combination of fuel blend they had back then with higher sulphur, the oil additive package and so on with that hour clock difference added up to oil changes at 100 hour intervals for the engine according to the JD manual for a 4430 which is far different than today's recommendations for tractors.
Cable driven tachometers off the engine were the thing back then and the hour meter incorporated into that tach head.
In that same operators manual for the 4430 it states in bold letters, Never put additives in the crankcase. Interesting, so even back then there must have been some snake oils of one form or another being pedalled.
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Post by OptimallyDismal on Apr 15, 2023 8:10:21 GMT -6
I think there was a Power Up booth at the fair this year. My Dad said his 400 case hour meter ran off the hydraulic pressure so it was not engine speed related.
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Post by garyfunk on Apr 15, 2023 8:31:10 GMT -6
I think there was a Power Up booth at the fair this year. My Dad said his 400 case hour meter ran off the hydraulic pressure so it was not engine speed related. It was still a cable that used the hydraulic pump for the RPMs. Early days of live hydraulics, ha.
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bigal
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Post by bigal on Apr 15, 2023 9:12:09 GMT -6
Were there other tractors like that? I thought I remembered hearing that earlier Deere’s were like that as well? Every thing was, PTO speed for an hour put an hour on the hour meter, half speed for two hours put an hour on the hour meter. That is very interesting. I've never heard that before. When did that method of hour meter get phased out?
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Post by northernfarmer on Apr 15, 2023 9:56:21 GMT -6
I had forgotten about what my dad had kicking around years ago and that was some cans of Rislone engine oil additive treatment. That was made and introduced by the Shaler oil company in 1921 its said and they coined the phrase "tune up in a can". So did it have redeeming qualities, perhaps so but again back then there was high lead content in gas and am guessing not all that great an additive package in the oils used in that day contributing to build up in piston rings and so on where today with a different fuel and different oil the issues would not be the same.
Marvel Mystery Oil, 1923 is the year it came out and again back in that day its said its claim to fame was cleaning carbs of deposits as the high lead content was an issue and same with adding it to the engine oil to clean the engine. I know from watching some testing and lab results a youtuber did lately on the product, it certainly drops the viscosity of the base oil he added it to when he sent it out to a lab, so at what point depending on what oil it was added to would that become an issue in an engine.
Both those products although changed in formulation I believe, do they have positive effects without any negative effects in todays engines, very good question but appears they both lower the viscosity of your average viscosity of engine oil.
Lucas oil additives, that appears to be a far more recent company as they founded in 1989. Of what little I know of the one additive which is their oil stabilizer, its extremely thick and as per a comment from some years ago I came across in the bobs the oil guy forum that person had sent in a sample to a lab and it came back as an oil with a viscosity index of 250 and nothing for additives. It makes the base oil thicker which in turn causes more drag but could quiet an engine issue as it sits on the Ritchie Bros lot !.
Slick 50, yet another one from 1978.
Motor honey, from the Casite company from 1922.
What I find interesting are a few companies that started up in the beginning of the roaring 20's, some people had money and were buying cars as that invention came on the scene more and more, so did the snake oil companies ironically !.
Use additives with great caution I would say as the sales Schick is sure slick and they all claim to be the miracle in a bottle and there is something in us humans brains that are so drawn to that.
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Post by kevlar on Apr 15, 2023 13:24:35 GMT -6
I guess basically it was the same principle as a speedometer, the hours clicked up like an odometer, slower was less hours, faster they added up faster.
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Post by CTS2 on Apr 15, 2023 15:32:31 GMT -6
Were there other tractors like that? I thought I remembered hearing that earlier Deere’s were like that as well? Every thing was, PTO speed for an hour put an hour on the hour meter, half speed for two hours put an hour on the hour meter. From memory, our Ford 9700 would bring up an hour, in about 45 minutes, when operating at its rated speed of 2100 rpm. We also had a Steiger with a fully electric hour meter, which should have been accurate but it would also bring the hours up faster than it should have.
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Post by tsipp on Apr 15, 2023 20:27:57 GMT -6
Don’t ever forget the key on, the hours can really pile up.
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Post by northernfarmer on Apr 15, 2023 21:05:13 GMT -6
Don’t ever forget the key on, the hours can really pile up.
That reminds me, we did a demo of a Case IH four wheel drive quite a few years ago and oddly the electric hour meter read the same few hours when it was delivered vs when it was hauled away, isn't that strange
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Post by garyfunk on Apr 15, 2023 23:02:42 GMT -6
Had a jd9600 that the corner post would count hours all day but when you shut down, the next day it would start at the same hours as it started at the day before. Like "Groundhog Day", lol.
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Post by northernfarmer on Apr 16, 2023 0:28:19 GMT -6
Gary, I gather that meant it never showed any wear nor ever used any fuel as the next day it was as if new off the show room floor !. Of course this Case tractor we tried out, we were not really surprised that they had disconnected the hour meter, I suspect the salesman had a part to play in that sort of crap going on and it didn't take a very bright rocket scientist to know that they would go on to sell a demo like that as a new or "hardly" demoed unit.
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