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Post by meskie on Mar 18, 2024 20:37:11 GMT -6
I priced them out on the fountain tire website. You can’t get the regular duratracs anymore only the new duratrac RT I think is what they are called. With the sale discount of $280 they are $600 per set less then when I priced them.
I wouldn’t want to be buying many steer tires for a semi now. The drives haven’t seemed to go up as much. But maybe the brand names have. We only run the brand names on steers. The drives get the good quality off shore tires.
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Post by northernfarmer on Mar 18, 2024 21:36:50 GMT -6
I did not realize Fountain Tire had such a website with prices and breakdown of the costs, very interesting. Where I had looked was on the actual Goodyear Tire website to see what "Goodyear" offered in the size I was looking for and there they have no pricing, just info on their own tires. Having said that there was a certain model of Kelly Tire they make ( I assume they make it ) and when I asked about it today over the phone at Fountain Tire she said they had poor luck with that tire don't bring it in anymore to their shop and the the size I was after they didn't show any supply of it in their system and being that the Duratrac has dropped the price and this sale price, it was slightly lower than the Kelly anyway. So goes to show how much they dropped the prices on the Duratrac and like you said Goodyear themselves were loosing out on sales with their insane pricing. I also did not realize that Fountain tire is selling quite a few other brands, I don't think some years back they were dealing in much other brands but stuck mostly to Goodyear but had some offshore highway tractor tire and of course that never used to exist either.
I wonder if they invented a new name or they changed something substantial in the Duratrac tire as I see that too, RT and then in brackets says Heavy Load.
I just found some info as to what this RT is all about, in short it has kevlar incorporated into the tire and the theory is a tougher tire and side wall, here is the official Goodyear news release.
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Post by meskie on Mar 18, 2024 22:40:21 GMT -6
The heavy load is the 10 ply tire. One of the down falls to the duratrac was a poor sidewall from what i read and saw on some reviews. Mostly for the off road guys where they would catch it on rocks or roots.
Goodyear owns Kelly Dunlop cooper and mickey thompson tires. If you look at the more aggressive tires you can see some of the designs from mickey Thompson incorporated into the Goodyear/cooper mud and cross over tires.
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Post by SWMan on Mar 19, 2024 5:13:22 GMT -6
Just put a set of Toyo Open Country A/T III Size: LT285/60R20 on one of my pickups and they were $1980 for a set of 4 installed. Good reviews on the Toyo tires.
I've had mixed luck with Cooper tires and this particular truck had Firestone Transforce AT2 previously that I hated as they were horrible for traction.
Anyone have any recommendations for a durable tire for a suburban that isn't too aggressive? Winter tires are coming off and I've had bad luck with both General and Cooper all season tires on that vehicle, wear fast and casing problems. I almost think I need to put a LT rated tire on, just don't want gravel flying everywhere.
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Post by jaymo on Mar 19, 2024 6:28:38 GMT -6
I just put on a set of Yokohama Geolander 275/65R20 on my f-150. They are an all-season, not a mud tire. So far I really like them, good traction in snowy and icy conditions and very quiet on the highway. Might be good on the Suburban. I got them at a local garage. Around $1700 mounted.
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Post by northernfarmer on Mar 19, 2024 9:16:37 GMT -6
The heavy load is the 10 ply tire. One of the down falls to the duratrac was a poor sidewall from what i read and saw on some reviews. Mostly for the off road guys where they would catch it on rocks or roots. Goodyear owns Kelly Dunlop cooper and mickey thompson tires. If you look at the more aggressive tires you can see some of the designs from mickey Thompson incorporated into the Goodyear/cooper mud and cross over tires. Ok I did not realize that the Duratrac had been an 8 ply across the board, the Duratrac's my brother had on a Jeep were 8 ply but just figured it was the smaller size and why they did that. Yes I have heard comments about the sidewall failing in the past on the Duratrac and that might be why some started referring to the tire as the "Duracrap" tire, so much depends on what vehicle and what type of power is going through the tire and what surface. Can have the same tire do great in one situation and total shit in another, the BFG KO2 is an example of that .. good life on pavement and shit and failing tires on too much gravel driving. These tire companies like other companies all joining forces to screw the customer, its hard to keep up on it. I had no clue that Goodyear sucked up Cooper tire nor Mickey Thompson although I have never bought tires from Mickey T.
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Post by meskie on Mar 19, 2024 9:41:48 GMT -6
br] Anyone have any recommendations for a durable tire for a suburban that isn't too aggressive? Winter tires are coming off and I've had bad luck with both General and Cooper all season tires on that vehicle, wear fast and casing problems. I almost think I need to put a LT rated tire on, just don't want gravel flying everywhere. For a heavier suv that drives on gravel you almost need an LT rated tire for them to last. Down fall is they won’t ride as nice but on the Manitoba roads you might not notice. What size of tires are on it?
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Post by northernfarmer on Mar 19, 2024 10:08:47 GMT -6
Just put a set of Toyo Open Country A/T III Size: LT285/60R20 on one of my pickups and they were $1980 for a set of 4 installed. Good reviews on the Toyo tires. I've had mixed luck with Cooper tires and this particular truck had Firestone Transforce AT2 previously that I hated as they were horrible for traction. Anyone have any recommendations for a durable tire for a suburban that isn't too aggressive? Winter tires are coming off and I've had bad luck with both General and Cooper all season tires on that vehicle, wear fast and casing problems. I almost think I need to put a LT rated tire on, just don't want gravel flying everywhere.
My brother had put a set of the Toyo A/T III on an older Jeep and so its a smaller tire but so far he has been happy with them ( only summer use though ) on pavement and gravel, he had Duratrac's on it prior and they wore all wavy BADLY and were noisy right off the start and got worse and then vibrated etc with all this weird wear. Time will tell how they wear but so far did not show the signs of being rock pickers and way way quieter.
I just looked up a photo of the Firestone Transforce AT2 and in my mind that tire tread looks like it might last pretty good BUT be shit for traction in mud ( or wet grass for that matter ! ) . Treads that have that groove pattern with tread blocks so close together and then what is basically a closed shoulder design, probably quite fine for pavement and a lot less likely to get the weird wear of an open shoulder tread block design. So I can see why you struggled with traction. As to the Toyo's you put on, try to keep up on rotations and I know everyone does a little different but with a normally rear wheel driven vehicle with non directional tires I like to move the rear tires forward on the same sides but cross over the front tires to the rear to reverse the rotation as it helps keep the tread blocks from having that angling back wear.
With your suburban, do you drive much distance percentage wise on gravel as I am wondering if your tires have been stone drilling due to weak P rated casings, of course its not just the casing as the other part is a tread that retains rocks as that is part of the issue with stone drilling and breaking up the casing cords. I know going with a LT tire ( would no doubt depend on ply rating as well ) that they will ride somewhat stiffer however depending on the tire size it may be possible to lower the air pressure a bit after doing some weigh scale calculations. The BFG KO2 ( I have not heard anything yet about the KO3 ) tends to be one of those rock picker tires, its got some weird angled slits in the shoulder tread blocks that will refuse to let some rocks go while also grabbing rocks there and in other area's of the tread and throwing them like crazy once hitting the pavement or just driving down a gravel road. That is one tire I would not recommend if the vehicle literally touches any gravel. I don't know if that vehicle and application would do ok with the Michelin tires, the tread they have never jumps out to me as thrilling for traction but perhaps it might be a contender, the style of tread is what they use as the base tire on the GM HD trucks. And then different sizes of any tire can have a different void width between the treads so what one size of a brand seems like, is not always going to be the same with another size when it comes to being a gravel slinging tire or not.
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Post by meskie on Mar 19, 2024 10:26:08 GMT -6
Base Michelin tires on the Gm hds are garbage for traction on anything but dry pavement. If anybody needs a set of 275/70-18 I can give you a really good deal on a set with 200km on them.
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Post by northernfarmer on Mar 19, 2024 10:26:32 GMT -6
I just put on a set of Yokohama Geolander 275/65R20 on my f-150. They are an all-season, not a mud tire. So far I really like them, good traction in snowy and icy conditions and very quiet on the highway. Might be good on the Suburban. I got them at a local garage. Around $1700 mounted. Have a look see at your tire model and post that as Yokohama has a few tires they have the Geolandar name attached to ( don't ask me why they spell it that way, I've been misspelling and pronouncing it wrong all these years ! ) . I will take a guess that it might be the A/T G015 and in fact I will throw up a link to that tire and you will know right away from the photo if its the one you put on your pickup.
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Post by northernfarmer on Mar 19, 2024 10:36:32 GMT -6
Base Michelin tires on the Gm hds are garbage for traction on anything but dry pavement. If anybody needs a set of 275/70-18 I can give you a really good deal on a set with 200km on them.
, I am laughing because of our conversation about GM trucks and going 18 or 20 inch rim and I thought if I end up with 18 inch rims and that tire ... what the hell am I going to do with that tire, will some shop give me any credit to swap in something I actually want on a pickup. Never the less though for some a tire like that is quite fine and in fact I read of truck owners that raved about their factory Michelin tire ( southern US state drivers on pavement ) and buy the same tire again as they thought it was so great ... quiet, lasted etc. The tires they put on the 20's look a lot more acceptable as per an A/T tire, I think I know now why the 18's pissed you off, a set of useless to you brand new tires sitting in a stack !
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Post by kevlar on Mar 19, 2024 11:13:10 GMT -6
You guys put a lot more effort into your tire purchases than I do!! lol. I usually go to the tire shop and ask what they recommend, they generally have a good idea on what would work best for you.
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Post by prairieboy on Mar 19, 2024 11:34:00 GMT -6
Just put a set of Toyo Open Country A/T III Size: LT285/60R20 on one of my pickups and they were $1980 for a set of 4 installed. Good reviews on the Toyo tires. I've had mixed luck with Cooper tires and this particular truck had Firestone Transforce AT2 previously that I hated as they were horrible for traction. Anyone have any recommendations for a durable tire for a suburban that isn't too aggressive? Winter tires are coming off and I've had bad luck with both General and Cooper all season tires on that vehicle, wear fast and casing problems. I almost think I need to put a LT rated tire on, just don't want gravel flying everywhere. On my second set of Bridgestone Duellers on my Yukon. Love them in every way. They wear well. Have very good traction on ice for being all seasons. Don't throw rocks.
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Post by Oatking on Mar 19, 2024 13:42:53 GMT -6
You guys put a lot more effort into your tire purchases than I do!! lol. I usually go to the tire shop and ask what they recommend, they generally have a good idea on what would work best for you. I admit I do the same , but the tire shop makes good money off my lack of due diligence! One thing . I will never buy another retread truck tire! The poorest Chinese tire is better
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Post by kevlar on Mar 19, 2024 16:32:02 GMT -6
I don’t think a tire shop you deal with on a regular basis is going to try to rip you off, if you think they would it would be a good idea to deal with someone else. The two shops I use always give me all their options and prices and then recommend what would be best for what I need.
You’ll never get a tire that will meet every need, have to make compromises on something.
On that note, I’d never get Hankook again, rough ride. Tread wear and traction is good but I’ve had two sets now that where the tread meets the sidewall starts to let go.
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