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Post by crosroads on Feb 9, 2023 14:21:55 GMT -6
So, where do I start??? I guess some background would be helpful first, my brother and I farm 5000 acres together, 735 which are my own. 10 years ago I was in an accident where I burnt 85% of my body, and I am now blind. after I got out of the hospital, I made the agreement with family that I would pay them their cost plus a little bit to do custom work for me so that I could continue to farm and support my family. Now, 10 years later, his costs have climbed to what I think are very high rates. I’d like to find out what The average custom rates are for Alberta. I’m paying $25 an acre for seating, $50! For combining and he is paying me five dollars an acre for the lease of my sprayer. I have asked some of my neighbours for what they would charge, they say 20 bucks for seating is good, and $30-$35 for combining should be normal. I’d like to know what you guys would charge your blind disabled brother to do the custom work for him? thank you in advance for your advice
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Post by Oatking on Feb 9, 2023 17:06:53 GMT -6
I am glad you had assets to fall back on after your injury. That is an incredible difficult life you had to lead after the accident and glad you had a plan and faught thru the difficulties in life.
I think you are paying fair market price. I pay 25 for custom soybean planting now. If you are putting seed and fertilizer on in one pass I think 30 is more in line. I think 50 is fair for combining. Custom spraying depends on application. I think my local retailer is at 8.75 an acre now. Putting on fertilizer or applying seed and fertilizer with a floater is 10.75 I believe.
All costs are climbing to what I think are high rates too. Thats just the nature of the beast now! Interest is creeping into the situation now too.
Welcome crosroads to the combine forum!
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Post by slipclutch on Feb 9, 2023 17:37:25 GMT -6
I agree with oatking. But I would add the fuel. If guys think that’s unreasonable go get someone ease. Shit is too damn expensive!
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Post by victory on Feb 9, 2023 20:26:45 GMT -6
If that combining includes trucking and getting it in the bin, I would be ok with it. Otherwise sounds a little steep.
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Post by jvdl on Feb 9, 2023 21:32:07 GMT -6
I think those prices are ok, I won’t seed for 25, and 50 for your grain in the bin is ok if anything you could get a little more for your sprayer. As said before everything is getting expensive including sprayers
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Post by slipclutch on Feb 9, 2023 22:39:09 GMT -6
The long and short of it. To get the value of what custom is worth. Take .1% of the value of new equipment being used that would include man and fuel replacement value.
So approximately combine value at 800,000$ would be 800$ hr. 800$ by 15 acres hr. Is 53.33$ acre.
If you can do 20 hr. It’s 40$. Acre
If some people think this is unreasonable? Sorry You will be broke.
Keep doing this on every piece and you’ll see it’s in line with custom work.
Sprayer same value. 800,000$ 800$ hr. 120’ boom 120 acres hr. 6.66$ per acre.
I know what some of you are going to say. I don’t need a 800,000$ machine. Yes you don’t. BUT! Use will brake down more than new. Yes more than new! And don’t tell me.
“I don’t need to replace it one day.”
Yes you will!
.1% is the real number. Been there done that.
Oh! And the easiest thing about custom is driving it. Nobody see you fixing it. And running for parts!
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Post by 10inchtopsoil on Feb 10, 2023 14:15:08 GMT -6
for neighbour to neighbour rates here's what i know for my area
$25/ac for seeding is maybe a little low but reasonable. It's a good deal for you if seed and fert hauling is included in that. In my area 30 - 35/ac would be a good start for that, including operator.
spraying we were charged 9.25/ac from retailer including water and fuel and operator
combining is by the hour. 320-350/hr with a class 8 combine and straight cut header and operator, plus fuel on top. works out to about 25-35/ac. plus trucking and cart.
we're in a higher yielding area though, 50-60bu canola, 80-90bu hard red. May be less in lower yielding areas. And definitely give a disabled brother a break, if he wasn't a prick to me haha
long and short, if he's going to charge that much for seeding and combining, sprayer should be higher.
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Post by slipclutch on Feb 10, 2023 15:24:02 GMT -6
I don’t think so. Here’s why. The brother who operates the sprayer still has to put the time in the cab and put fuel,repair and still need a tender unit. The sprayer on it own it’s just 5$
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Post by crosroads on Feb 17, 2023 14:30:02 GMT -6
Here’s my thoughts on your comments, first of all I pay for all the repairs on the sprayer it’s mine. He uses my water, tender, greenback, Bill Schroeder, free of charge. I was looking for the actual costs of combining and seating, not the custom rates that people make a living act.
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Post by Oatking on Feb 17, 2023 14:52:38 GMT -6
Well last year just fuel in the tractor at seeding time was 6 dollars an acre. 2400 dollars fill up divided by 400 acres or so. Hard pulling on heavy clay and flooded land to boot. You need to figure in you seeder payment as well. That is at least 20 bucks an acre. Than lastly is miscl like oils filters and grease say a buck an acre. You wage should be 160 bucks an hour!
By the way has anybody else got there air and oil filter bill yet? Holy moly I was surprised how expensive air filters water filters and fuel filters shot up!!!Yikes, I thought the bill showed almost 6000 bucks for the whole stash of filters, and that was on early sale discounts , fleet guard and john deere filters. not as fun paying that bill, ohhhhhhh mannnnnnnn!!!
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Post by slipclutch on Feb 17, 2023 16:04:08 GMT -6
Oatking. Thats just fuel for the spring seeding. How about harvesting and tillage. Just the combine last fall was 1000$ a day for one combine. Now try multiple machines. Wow!!
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Post by shmiffy on Feb 19, 2023 21:08:49 GMT -6
Here’s my thoughts on your comments, first of all I pay for all the repairs on the sprayer it’s mine. He uses my water, tender, greenback, Bill Schroeder, free of charge. I was looking for the actual costs of combining and seating, not the custom rates that people make a living act. $5 an acre across your brothers 4300 acres for the year or $5 an acre for every acre it goes over? I’m thinking for what he is charging you,to be even on the pay scale $7 to $8 for the sprayer. |
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