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Post by Oatking on Nov 24, 2022 17:46:26 GMT -6
Good point about the down pressure meski, One popular complaint concerning the half inch elmers tines is they break. The guys having that problem are pulling max down pressure on cultivated chunky ground. I have never seen the need to go more than 6 out of 10 on the down force on my super 7. I think its more a factor of pulling all 7 rows equally than down force on a few rows.
After running the solid pull arm super 7 I have not noticed any improvement on pulling. Only improvement on my harrow is the carbide tips. I agree they are a must, however that adds 4700 to the bill. I think the labor to change the tines would be more than 4700 though!
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Post by bigal on Nov 24, 2022 17:55:45 GMT -6
Good point about the down pressure meski, One popular complaint concerning the half inch elmers tines is they break. The guys having that problem are pulling max down pressure on cultivated chunky ground. I have never seen the need to go more than 6 out of 10 on the down force on my super 7. I think its more a factor of pulling all 7 rows equally than down force on a few rows. After running the solid pull arm super 7 I have not noticed any improvement on pulling. Only improvement on my harrow is the carbide tips. I agree they are a must, however that adds 4700 to the bill. I think the labor to change the tines would be more than 4700 though! The solid arms don't eliminate the bouncing that can happen in certain conditions with the cable version? |
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Post by Oatking on Nov 24, 2022 18:04:49 GMT -6
bouncing is usually from to much down pressure I found and during take off with the harrows. I found the cab adjustments with tine angle or pitch of the harrow segments helps minimize bounce. The solid arms did not make a difference with bounce. In fact , I am thinking back to my old flexi coil sprayer days and how those u shaped wing arms tended to bounce or bend on rough roads. I hope these arms are made better!! Maybe the cable idea is not too bad.
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Post by iamwill on Nov 24, 2022 22:25:06 GMT -6
Our old summers heavy harrow has half inch tines on it and I don't think we have broken more than 2 or 3 in probably 30k acres. Usually set at max aggressiveness max down pressure and usually run about 14 mph. We have rocks and pivot tracks to deal with and I think the lighter tines flex better and are less likely to break as a result. Not all tines are the same quality though and some seem to be much more brittle than others. We bought some aftermarket ones for an old morris packerbar that were total garbage.
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Post by kenmb on Nov 25, 2022 9:55:59 GMT -6
How is it to load the valmar with mini bulk bags when mounted on a harrow bar. Can a guy get enough reach with front end loader and pallet forks to dump bag directly into valmar or is a guy looking at a pole extension on FEL or use auger to fill.
7 bar would be nice but if buying used I suspect it would be a 5 bar. I would be doing a max of 1500 ac a year so pretty much any tine option will last me a long time providing I start out with around 22" or longer.
I probably won't dwell too much on how well a particular design levels mole hills and such. It is generally limited to certain areas of fields and usually more to do with peas being grown that year so can still run around with cultivator first to hit the problem areas.
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Post by BJT on Nov 25, 2022 12:10:24 GMT -6
I have a degelman 70’ 5 bar hyd tine adjust with carbide tips. Less than 3000ac in the unit. It’s for sale.
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Post by victory on Nov 25, 2022 20:58:31 GMT -6
How is it to load the valmar with mini bulk bags when mounted on a harrow bar. Can a guy get enough reach with front end loader and pallet forks to dump bag directly into valmar or is a guy looking at a pole extension on FEL or use auger to fill. 7 bar would be nice but if buying used I suspect it would be a 5 bar. I would be doing a max of 1500 ac a year so pretty much any tine option will last me a long time providing I start out with around 22" or longer. I probably won't dwell too much on how well a particular design levels mole hills and such. It is generally limited to certain areas of fields and usually more to do with peas being grown that year so can still run around with cultivator first to hit the problem areas. I have a JD 7800 with pallet forks and it works well to load the tote bags into the valmar on the harrows. Wouldn't want to go with a whole lot smaller tractor though. Would also depend on the harrow bar. Maybe some of the newer ones have a higher stance. |
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Post by kenmb on Nov 26, 2022 10:13:40 GMT -6
My case mxm175 with FEL is a larger loader than the 740 I had on jd7610 so should be fine then. Using bulk bags is much nicer than small bags.
Next to new would be out of my price range bjt, looking around seems $45 to $60k should get a pretty decent harrow with valmar. There is a unused old stock Brandt 70' close by for $65k but need to put a valmar on it. I have a 2055 valmar so 20 outlet, would need to look into what it would take to swap to a +30 outlet manifold (3255) and by the time I do that and all the hoses and brackets and such I think buying pre-equipped valmar will be the right way to go.
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Post by BJT on Nov 26, 2022 11:08:21 GMT -6
Ours does not have valmar.
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