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Post by garyfunk on Nov 18, 2022 9:14:17 GMT -6
Thinking of making the big jump from a 670 to a 780. Only planning on harvesting a couple thousand acres for the foreseeable future but with our short harvest window we'd sooner be over combined than under. The 670 has been pretty good to us and has been able to average 500bu/hr in canola, 950 in barley and 1300 in oats. Any more than that and losses get too high, especially in barley.
Will we be able to bump those numbers up by 25 to 30%?
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Post by SWMan on Nov 18, 2022 9:36:22 GMT -6
I'm thinking a big increase from a 670. I ran a 780 for many years and averaged 17-19 acres/hour on a full season in heavy crops(60 canola, 90 wheat, 170 oats, 55 soybeans type of crops). The high speed rotors available in later 780's add probably close to 20% in cereals where you have heavy straw and tough conditions, ran side-by-side with a non high speed 780 for a full season and they ended up buying and swapping gearboxes later to make it a high-speed 780!
I've actually seen 4000/hr in oats and 2200/hr in wheat under ideal conditions but would never claim that as an average, kind of a once per year when it's a cloudy day in a nice field and you can hit power limit. Usually under a half bushel loss in wheat and I tried to keep it under .33bu/acre in canola. Straight cut everything and was doing lots with Vario header. I think in dry brittle canola a Macdon head might lose more than the combine when it's dialed in. Really only ever ran power limit under ideal conditions and after dark with tough straw, never was able to use more than a tank of fuel in a day although I got it to 4% a few times.
Only drawback with a 780 other than the creature comforts that came in the 8000 series is that you cannot add a hopper extension which would be nice. IMO the 780 is/was the pinnacle of harvesting capacity for small grains and I have seen nothing since that comes close under a wide range of crops and conditions.
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Post by garyfunk on Nov 18, 2022 10:01:20 GMT -6
Thanks SWMan. This unit will have the high speed rotors and Sunnybrook impeller.
That does sound like a huge increase in capacity. It seemed like with the 670 we were damaging the grain trying to do all the separation up front. The rotors should improve the quality of the sample.
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Post by SWMan on Nov 18, 2022 10:11:46 GMT -6
You will be shocked at what they are capable of, just don't take it into a dry brittle canola swath or it will be a normal combine. Need to play to the machines strength and the huge separating area that you can open and close is an advantage over every other machine on the market. I've gone to not desiccating and straight cutting for probably 5 years now and working great. Run a tight pinch point on the concave, I tell tech to go 2MM at rear to force that grain out. Generally run tight concave and only what needed to thresh but not damage grain. Narrow concave helps keep rocks out of the machine.
Took me two years to fully learn the Claas settings and what to avoid. Now I do pulse seed production and every year my germ is as good or better than rotary combines, it's all in the settings!
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Post by garyfunk on Nov 18, 2022 11:18:12 GMT -6
So you are back to running 780s SWMan?
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Post by SWMan on Nov 18, 2022 11:29:06 GMT -6
So you are back to running 780s SWMan? After having the 8700TT for one year I decided I wanted to go to two machines and wasn't going to buy another new one, so currently running two 750's. Not the capacity of the widebody but still a big combine, two is working nice for making the cart and truck more efficient as well.
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Post by garyfunk on Nov 18, 2022 11:40:48 GMT -6
I see. Makes sense. Hopefully they've got the glitches in lime green ones ironed out by the time you need to upgrade.
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Post by meskie on Nov 18, 2022 11:49:06 GMT -6
We have run a 2013 780tt for a few years and are around the 16-18 acres/ hour on all the years we have owned it. No high speed rotors in it but would make a big difference as rotor loss slows us down I alot of the time.
We also have a 2017 780tt that we have run along side it for a couple years. Last year wasn’t much of a test but this year it was slightly more capacity even running a 5’ smaller header.
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Post by garyfunk on Nov 18, 2022 15:17:27 GMT -6
By the looks of the hours and acres on this machine we're looking at it would be closer to that 16, meskie. But not knowing the crops or conditions that it worked in, it really doesn't mean that much 🤷♂️. If we can get to 1000bu/hr in canola and 2000 in barley, we'd be happy with that.
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Post by meskie on Nov 18, 2022 15:34:58 GMT -6
1000 in canola should be doable we are normally in the 900-1100 range depending on conditions. Was down to 750 this year in swathed canola that was really dry.
2000 in barley might be pushing it. I find that’s the worst crop for our 780 to do. Seems to over process it then overloads the sieves. Or we have so much straw it comes out the rotors. 1800 should be easy to do.
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Post by garyfunk on Nov 18, 2022 15:51:09 GMT -6
Ha, ya my math was a little off. If we can do 1800bu/hr in barley that's 18ac/hr. The trucker (me) might have a hard time keeping up, 😆.
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Post by claas on Dec 19, 2022 15:25:57 GMT -6
Was looking last week at 2020 8700 . I’m aware that rotorgrates are to course apparently, but if rotors are removed could you just weld rods in there length wise to cover holes ? Would that make it he same as 2021 models , and overloading shoe is history??
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Post by SWMan on Dec 19, 2022 23:49:26 GMT -6
Was looking last week at 2020 8700 . I’m aware that rotorgrates are to course apparently, but if rotors are removed could you just weld rods in there length wise to cover holes ? Would that make it he same as 2021 models , and overloading shoe is history?? Hey welcome here. Where are you or this 8700? If it's in Western Canada it may very well have had the updated rotor grates put in(which is just back to old style that actually worked). If it came from corn country it may not have been changed, I don't know. I had a 2020 8700TT and in all small grains it was a step backwards from the 780TT and I never hung around long enough to see updates done. Back to reliable 700 series combines for me! There was some nice creature comforts of the 8000 series but a few bugs that needed attention. If anyone says they ran their machine against a 2020 Claas green combine they ran against a wounded machine. Now if you are strictly a corn/soybean guy maybe those other grates would work, but I would not mess around in wheat with them and especially not in canola. Not sure who they had testing those prototype 8000 series and how such an abomination made it to market, probably guys that just trust cemos and have their sensitivity turned down to 60...
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Post by claas on Dec 20, 2022 3:01:52 GMT -6
This small grain machine , no updates done and claas says it’s all yours . not sure if there was updates paid by claas . Deale in Kinistino didn’t do it and there are several units like this . claas thinks the problem isn’t big enough,but the cost to replace apparently is $17000 parts . No deals…. But if I can weld some strips over the grates and cover 40% it’s maybe same as old 700 series thank for reply
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Post by SWMan on Dec 20, 2022 10:40:09 GMT -6
I would assume that you will have to put back to 700 series grates. Obviously small changes in there can make big differences and I know we were pushing out 2-3 bu/acre of canola with the 8700 while the 780 was at 0.25 bu/acre, same field same speed with dealer/product specialist/corporate guys all watching and baffled. Most of the loss was rotor loss and I blame the grate change. Agwest had all their units changed back because they knew they were bad, surprised other dealers didn't clue in. Must be BTO's that never throw a pan running them...ha ha
With the amount of dollars going through a combine I wouldn't take any chances with something that may or may not work.
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