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Nov 11, 2022 18:10:49 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Nov 11, 2022 18:10:49 GMT -6
I wonder how much better those old quads would ride with a new set of shocks? They didn’t ride that good when new so I doubt new shocks would do much but might help some.
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Nov 11, 2022 23:14:45 GMT -6
Post by SWMan on Nov 11, 2022 23:14:45 GMT -6
A little off topic, but how are you liking your ebikes? Well First couple the older boys have been riding them all year and I'm pretty sure they have well over 1000km on them. Had a brake sensor on one act up(just had to unplug) and other one had a leaky brake so they started riding mine which had considerably less use...ha ha. They ride those things often 10-20 miles at a time together and sometimes when friends come over too. Honestly I think it's a great activity, cover a lot of ground but still get some exercise at same time. The simple fact that they are still using them after all this time means they like it. No problem to do a 20 mile round trip to town on a charge with moderate pedaling. Oldest found a way to hack them to give higher top end for the power assist. Youngest is 9 and he has a step-through one and more rides it like a scooter, don't see him pedal much and he stays around the yard making laps. Not sure they are the ticket on snow, got a couple inches last night and today oldest was riding around but said had to be careful on tracks from other vehicles. Maybe just need to change driving style or maybe they get parked for winter, don't know yet. They are back tonight doing laps with calf sled behind the UTV, so change of seasons. LOL EDIT to add that I probably am not interested in a electric ATV though. Anything that has to run should be run by something that is always ready to work.
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Nov 11, 2022 23:49:26 GMT -6
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Post by bob123 on Nov 11, 2022 23:49:26 GMT -6
I wonder how much better those old quads would ride with a new set of shocks? They didn’t ride that good when new so I doubt new shocks would do much but might help some. True but I'm guessing coil over technology has come along way in the last 30 years as well. Also for the longest time we were running our tire pressure higher then needed and going down to minimum tire pressure has helped a bunch for ride on these old brutes
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Nov 12, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -6
Post by northernfarmer on Nov 12, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -6
True but I'm guessing coil over technology has come along way in the last 30 years as well. Also for the longest time we were running our tire pressure higher then needed and going down to minimum tire pressure has helped a bunch for ride on these old brutes
I think part of the problem with the older solid axle quads is that the suspension travel inherently designed into the unit is not long enough to make the best use of variable rate springs and softer valve rates. If such a shock was installed on an old quad I could see it being far more weight sensitive and the suspension bottoming out with a heavier rider or items strapped to the racks. Of course solid rear axles are never going to ride like an independent unit as a bump hit on one rear tire causes the whole axle to move, a far more stone age design ironically than a rear axle on a pickup with leaf spring suspension that one tire is allowed to travel up and down and the axle twist relative to the vehicle. In fact there were a few quads brands out there that had what they called a swing axle design at one time to help the ride. There is one type of use though that a solid axle quad can cope with better and that is pulling something that has a fair bit of hitch weight as some of the independent rear suspensions will squat extremely bad with much hitch weight.
Speaking of ride and tire pressures, that is a downfall of some of the stiff type of aftermarket tires as some don't ride near as well as the OEM tire that I refer to as driving on an inner tube with nipples on it. But any tires, put too much air in and they can't absorb the terrain near as well such as rocky type trails or going across drill furrows. The old Honda three wheelers with balloon tires ( small diameter rims which made for tall flexible sidewalls ) as a good example, that is all the suspension the early models of them had ! . Some of the aftermarket tires out now have large diameter rims and low profile sidewall tires, too much bling and limited function just like low profile 4x4 tires for a mall crawler Jeep.
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Post by Beerwiser on Nov 13, 2022 9:21:22 GMT -6
Been running yamaha since the late 80s. Trusty big bear 350s have never let me down and have been through hell and back with sprayers on the back. Only real problem were stators due to the electric sprayer pumps. Late 90 polaris were a piece of junk, took out belts left and right pulling 2 diamond harrows. Newest quad right now is the wife's 06 kodiak and has been pretty good. Also running a 98 Honda, another great bike and much better on fuel than the kodiak. The one thing I really love about yamaha is hi/low range and even more so with belt drives. Not sure 8f anyone else has high/low ranges, but that is a must in my books.
With tires I found you need to almost break in the aftermarket tires. Just put a set on the wife's in spring and went as wide as possible. Way harder sidewall over stock, but a day of slow easy driving with really low tire pressure softened up the side walls. Now with proper tire pressure the whole grip is in contact with the ground and ride improved.
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Nov 13, 2022 9:31:59 GMT -6
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Post by kevlar on Nov 13, 2022 9:31:59 GMT -6
I agree with the low range, would never have one without. Not sure what brands have low range, maybe they all do? My cat has it, works great for pulling stuff, especially the sprayer, and for going through really tough terrain.
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Nov 13, 2022 10:13:38 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Nov 13, 2022 10:13:38 GMT -6
All brands have low range. Some of the lower model small CC bikes don’t have it but the the mid size and up do. Lots of people run into trouble with belt drives as they don’t use low range enough.
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Nov 13, 2022 11:51:00 GMT -6
Post by northernfarmer on Nov 13, 2022 11:51:00 GMT -6
I haven't been looking at the new quads either to know if they all have low range, I'd hope they would but don't have that answer. That reminds me the Honda 400 Rancher at the point where it was a hydrostatic transmission like my Rubicon only it had no low range, definitely not a great setup for anything other then easier going. My Rubicon low range isn't low enough but would be hopeless without it in mud etc .
The stiff tires will always be stiffer than the whimpy OEM tires like Honda uses anyway and rolling resistance is a lot higher on a low pressure stiff tire at low pressure than that OEM tire, with low cc quads it takes a lot of power away from them for both weight and that rolling resistance. Also if one is trying to throw the least amount of dirt into the air such as field scouting and having that plaster onto your back ( more so if a passenger is on, that can really be bad ) , stock tires are better for that. Some dealers have OEM tires piled up and have good deals on them if a lot of guys are wanting more aggressive tires right off the showroom floor so for the person who doesn't need anything fancy tire wise the stock type of tires can be ok, just swap them out every few years or less if lots of km are driven.
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Nov 13, 2022 12:41:40 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Nov 13, 2022 12:41:40 GMT -6
I have two sets of 8x12 and 10x12 tires on rims if anybody needs. Brand new with rims will fit all Japanese manufactured quads with the 4x112 bolt pattern. (Honda kawi Suzuki). Came off my 750 king quads.
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gav
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Nov 16, 2022 5:26:02 GMT -6
Post by gav on Nov 16, 2022 5:26:02 GMT -6
Have 90's 300's here & the only weak point is the starter brushes, one even has taken on a 30.5.32 & still goes strong with a bent frame. We recently upgraded to a 420 with foot change & solid rear.
I just yesterday saw a low milage showroom trx300 forsale & wondered about grabbing it.
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Post by SWMan on Dec 5, 2022 23:12:12 GMT -6
Well I looked at lots of machines and just couldn't stomach 15K for a big fancy new machine, so ended up finding a 2019 Can Am 450 with only about 300 miles for roughly half that price. After tooling around on it for a bit I think it will work just fine. Lighter unit with lots of zip and lots of suspension compared to the old Honda! I got it up to about 50mph before my face felt like it was gonna freeze off, not sure it has much more in it as it wasn't climbing fast at the end. Had an aftermarket pipe and boy was it loud, got it back to stock this evening.
Honestly after driving this I wonder why anyone would want a 1000, obviously not for practical reasons...ha ha
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Sept 3, 2023 18:41:46 GMT -6
Post by Oatking on Sept 3, 2023 18:41:46 GMT -6
wow , take a look at the all new 1500 Polaris Ranger north star edition! only 57 000.00 plus taxes and fees! The four seater is a bit more! has this segment of toys got out of control. crazy but it’s gone to an all new level!
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Sept 3, 2023 19:15:18 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Sept 3, 2023 19:15:18 GMT -6
As a couple reviews have said those are like a HD truck where the others are half tons.
My son and I were killing time in town and stopped at the Polaris dealer and they had a regular northstar edition ranger sitting there and they sure are nice.
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Sept 3, 2023 20:18:19 GMT -6
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Post by kevlar on Sept 3, 2023 20:18:19 GMT -6
People will buy them, but then add another 20 grand to dress it up, can’t have it the same as the other guys! Just like most new toys, out of reach for the average person.
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bap
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Sept 3, 2023 21:10:33 GMT -6
Post by bap on Sept 3, 2023 21:10:33 GMT -6
Maybe for the odd guy with a tax problem...he...
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