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Post by torriem on Nov 5, 2022 19:04:32 GMT -6
I missed your question there, @oatking. Once Deere flashes the ECU, the delete has to be regenerated from the new ECU parameters, but there is no problem flashing it again. Depending on who does it they may charge the whole fee again, or some reduced fee.
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Post by meskie on Nov 5, 2022 19:06:46 GMT -6
Yes but first thing in their trouble shooting is update software. I have yet to hear of that fixing anything though.
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Post by BJT on Nov 5, 2022 20:00:13 GMT -6
So as long is it’s marked clearly, and they still do it, they will and should cover the cost of the fix. Their job is to do what you ask of them, they can’t just do what ever they want.
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Post by Oatking on Nov 5, 2022 21:15:32 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice. I agree meskie, with your comments and BJT that is a good idea to tag the computer port . My problem was my dealer went thru 3 service managers and so the history of my tractor got lost even thou I made it apparent.
My employee told me the dealer needed to do a 3 hour idle test for the ecm. Right a way I told my employee to tell the mechanic forget it . By than it was too late and the ecm was damaged. Funny thing is after he was packing up he said he saw a code for a plugged air filter before the engine flash. ARGH..... I wish I was there to see what was going on. Its strange that filter would plug up when the engine rad was pretty clean.
From now on its no re flash unless confirmed. What does a re flash actually solve in the first place. It worked fine the way it was for 2 years since the delete.
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Post by meskie on Nov 5, 2022 21:21:44 GMT -6
So as long is it’s marked clearly, and they still do it, they will and should cover the cost of the fix. Their job is to do what you ask of them, they can’t just do what ever they want. Considering your tampering with the emissions I doubt they would cover any costs. One dealer around us will ask if it’s been deleted before they hook the computer up to it so they don’t undo the delete. |
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Post by BJT on Nov 5, 2022 22:11:42 GMT -6
So as long is it’s marked clearly, and they still do it, they will and should cover the cost of the fix. Their job is to do what you ask of them, they can’t just do what ever they want. Considering your tampering with the emissions I doubt they would cover any costs. One dealer around us will ask if it’s been deleted before they hook the computer up to it so they don’t undo the delete. If they hook up and flash ecu when it was not requested and Fck it up, they dam well better fix it or pay to fix it. If they removed your windshield for no reason and broke it while fixing something else, who is gonna pay for that ? No different. |
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Post by meskie on Nov 5, 2022 23:03:21 GMT -6
But the ecu wouldn’t be wrecked. Only thing they would do is charge you to fix the emission problems.
I’m not for them reflashing an ecm without permission I’m just saying what will happen if you try to make them pay to get your ecm reflashed for an emissions delete.
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Post by BJT on Nov 5, 2022 23:49:53 GMT -6
Wouldn’t be for a delete. It was already deleted. They fckd it up, their fault, they fix. I would not back down down on that.
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Post by Oatking on Nov 6, 2022 9:47:25 GMT -6
I wish my dealership had a better record of individual tractors on there customer farms. Problem is most of the time the owner of the farm is no where to be seen when tractor problems arise. Most of the time it is an employee using the machine. I am partly to blame because I guess I should have had a sticker on the tractor prohibiting any reflash but I thought I made it clear with the service manager.
The other problem is its more than one dealership. The other multi dealers in the company would have no idea either. I cant be the only one to have this happen to.
I still believe the delete advantages outweigh leaving the tractor as stock after the manufacture warranty. I was told by deere the deletes cause heads to go prematurely. That is caused by an increase in excessive horsepower boost.
Heres a question... do the new jet engines use def?
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Post by torriem on Nov 6, 2022 16:05:12 GMT -6
I'm not sure I buy that argument about pre-mature failure from turning up the HP. For example John Deere used the same 13.5l engine for 375--520 hp, just with ECU programming turning up the HP and bigger radiators. There are limits of course. Case manages to get 600hp out of a little 12.9l engine. That's gotta have longevity issues compared to the Cummins 15l. Heres a question... do the new jet engines use def? Haha. Nope. The way they reduce NOx is to use newer, cleaner-burning engines that are more fuel efficient. Jets burn kerosene which is more refined than diesel but still emits NOx. Fortunately particulate emissions are much lower now (and of no real consequence at altitude). My cousin lived on military bases nearly his whole life and particulate pollution from jet airplanes in the air around the airport is the most likely cause for developing leukemia which killed him. But yes in general, airlines are under lots of pressure to reduce emissions, NOx and CO2. |
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Post by meskie on Nov 6, 2022 16:16:37 GMT -6
Premature head failure is caused by a bad tune or a too hot tune for the engine. A proper tune that is in spec for the engine family will last just as long as a stock engine. If you’re deleting the egr system it’s better for the engine also.
There are lots of guys out there who say they can tune and engine but don’t know exactly what they are doing and sometimes turn off all the engine codes from emissions to high water or low oil pressure.
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