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Post by Oatking on Aug 17, 2022 17:38:09 GMT -6
Well is anybody else frustrated with this whole process of paying thousands of dollars to rip apart the exhaust , unhook the def tank and reprogram the ecm.
I bought a 2015 peterbilt truck with a paccar engine with fairly low mileage ....less than 500 000 kms. I had loadline in winkler do the delete. They did a good job with the deleting the exhaust and def tank and putting an auto shut down switch in to prevent the truck from shutting off after 4 minutes. The problem is it required a flash of the ecm from another party. That is my problem right now as that third party does not want to re fix the mistakes he made. Apparently , he has quite a history of screwing around loadline customers. Right now I have to go to a different shop and pay 3700 bucks to get a proper ecm program. The guy from Morris who is doing the work for me said he is aware of the guy doing the work for loadline and has had to fix many problems, He said that guy does not admit his work has mistakes in it. He referred to him as being a REAL PRICK. i WILL get the name of this guy , but the problem is these deletes are not really legal so it makes it hard to chase after crappy repair work. If you do buy from loadline, be in the know that it is not wise to get a delete from this company.
What would you guys do?
Trucks as you guys know will bleed money , but right now the original delete cost 3500 plus the auto shut down was an extra 1600 plus now I have to pay 3700 just for a software ecm reprogram,
Yes my 15 model is in really excellent shape , but the deletes have been adding up fiercely.
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Post by meskie on Aug 17, 2022 18:05:03 GMT -6
Not much you can do but get the reprogram and move on.
I’ve fixed a few trucks exhaust problems and had them tuned (I know a guy who knows a guy) and haven’t had a complaint yet. Paccar are a bit of a different animal to do deletes on I’m told. You have to be careful what company you get as some delete all the sensors not just the ones you need gone. Oil high water temp ect. This is for any machine you get done.
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Post by cptusa on Aug 17, 2022 20:39:07 GMT -6
Not sure how aggressive the EPA equivalent in Canada is, but I wouldn't necessarily be talking about deleting anything on a public forum here. They've really cracked down on things.
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Post by prairieboy on Aug 17, 2022 21:41:42 GMT -6
Well is anybody else frustrated with this whole process of paying thousands of dollars to rip apart the exhaust , unhook the def tank and reprogram the ecm. I bought a 2015 peterbilt truck with a paccar engine with fairly low mileage ....less than 500 000 kms. I had loadline in winkler do the delete. They did a good job with the deleting the exhaust and def tank and putting an auto shut down switch in to prevent the truck from shutting off after 4 minutes. The problem is it required a flash of the ecm from another party. That is my problem right now as that third party does not want to re fix the mistakes he made. Apparently , he has quite a history of screwing around loadline customers. Right now I have to go to a different shop and pay 3700 bucks to get a proper ecm program. The guy from Morris who is doing the work for me said he is aware of the guy doing the work for loadline and has had to fix many problems, He said that guy does not admit his work has mistakes in it. He referred to him as being a REAL PRICK. i WILL get the name of this guy , but the problem is these deletes are not really legal so it makes it hard to chase after crappy repair work. If you do buy from loadline, be in the know that it is not wise to get a delete from this company. What would you guys do? Trucks as you guys know will bleed money , but right now the original delete cost 3500 plus the auto shut down was an extra 1600 plus now I have to pay 3700 just for a software ecm reprogram, Yes my 15 model is in really excellent shape , but the deletes have been adding up fiercely. We had a similar problem on a deleted S680. ECM went and delete company wouldn't reload the file onto the replaced ECM. We switched to Ekotune. They will reload the file in the event of an ECM failure. Its a learning curve with all this delete business. A significant added expense that has to be added into the purchase price. |
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Post by slipclutch on Aug 18, 2022 5:22:49 GMT -6
Deleted a Cummings in a freightliner cost me $5500. Wanted to delete my kenworth with 15L Cummings was touching $7500.
That’s full delete no chip. So I guess if you really want to spend the cash it can be expensive! If it’s not broke don’t spend. If you have to fix different story.
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Post by Oatking on Aug 18, 2022 6:47:43 GMT -6
I wish farmers were exempt from this def requirement. I was told our farm trucks never reach a long enough period of engine heat to do a proper regen. Apparently combines are the exception I was told by a deere tech.
praireboy did you have a problem with your s680 before the delete? I was debating on doing that to mine. like slipclutch said my combine in running fine now so I wanted to leave it alone.
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Post by prairieboy on Aug 18, 2022 21:17:18 GMT -6
I wish farmers were exempt from this def requirement. I was told our farm trucks never reach a long enough period of engine heat to do a proper regen. Apparently combines are the exception I was told by a deere tech. praireboy did you have a problem with your s680 before the delete? I was debating on doing that to mine. like slipclutch said my combine in running fine now so I wanted to leave it alone. We didn't have a specific problem we were chasing with the 680. We generally just delete everything when we first buy a piece of used equipment. For JD combines our two primary reasons for deleting are 1) to get rid of engine destroying EGR 2) to get rid of the DPF fire hazard exhaust systems as we grow a lot of sunflowers and need to do everything we can to prevent fires. The DPF filter housing traps a lot of dust despite the air ducts Deere added to try to keep it clean. It also gets insanely hot when it does a regen. |
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Post by Oatking on Aug 19, 2022 6:43:37 GMT -6
thanks praire boy, good reasons to delete. my 680 is a 16 model and i think you convinced me it is wise to delete. Some guys are having trouble with antifreeze leaking into there deere engine and wonder if it is related to the egr valve. Apparently a part is riveted on inside the engine and once they let go, antifreeze is allowed to pour into the oil pan. maybe unrelated but still a big concern.
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Post by SWMan on Aug 19, 2022 21:03:12 GMT -6
Not sure how aggressive the EPA equivalent in Canada is, but I wouldn't necessarily be talking about deleting anything on a public forum here. They've really cracked down on things. Basically an empty threat in Canada unless you are maybe driving a semi on the road in certain jurisdictions. Lots of farm equipment deleted and lots of trucks. I have found the best solution is to find good pre-emission equipment and take care of it. But do have several AGCO pieces with DEF and one temp sensor failure over about 6-7 years so happy with that. The CNH stuff was constant grief and burnt way more DEF! Oatking maybe get a more reliable guy to do the delete, or cut loose the paccar because they are not the most reliable engine. Used trucks are a real crapshoot. Best thing I ever did was buy two brand new Volvo's in 2013, ordered just the way I wanted them. Nothing used was available with proper spec. Prices on trucks have gone nuts lately though, not sure I could stomach the price of new trucks today. |
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Post by torriem on Aug 19, 2022 22:22:58 GMT -6
Did you delete the DPF from the Volvos? My cousin has two Volvos of about that vintage and both have nothing but trouble with the particulate filters because on the farm they rarely get hot enough to do a regen.
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Post by Oatking on Aug 19, 2022 23:29:25 GMT -6
Yes , on Monday the truck is getting deleted by a reliable local mechanic. I wish I would have done it like that right off the bat. My trucks dont really get used enough to know if one engine is better than the next. However , when oat harvest comes around its nice to have them going whether its a cummins or paccar engine. I was told paccar is known to change software often to prevent people from getting hold of delete programs. I understand why paccar does it but it presents a problem to us when we pay for reprogramming the ecm.
I was at oil mart in Winnipeg today and was surprised how many cleaning detergent products available to clean the diesel engine from all the unburnt carbon inside the engine.
Its too bad , We have taken a pretty reliable cummins n-14 engine from years ago and now fitted it with a system that needs DEF, AND ALL kinds of extra products to keep it going and stay clean. Never mind the maintenance needed when technology fails. Add high cost shop rates and computers hooked up to engines and you can have a real headache on your hands.
Which engine has the most reliable system without a delete done on it?
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Post by SWMan on Aug 20, 2022 8:46:13 GMT -6
Did you delete the DPF from the Volvos? My cousin has two Volvos of about that vintage and both have nothing but trouble with the particulate filters because on the farm they rarely get hot enough to do a regen. There is a soot gauge in the Volvo instrument cluster and neither truck ever got high enough to do an active regen, but keep in mind they are post 2011 DEF trucks. I think the 2010 and prior were trying to use a DPF only system and they were not as reliable. When I was buying the research I did said that Volvo had been running the DEF system in Europe for many years already with good reliability, whereas the other North American brands were using new and unproven emissions technology. Remember this is when CAT disappeared from the truck market, International had an epic engine fail and even the Cummins was mediocre at best. I had a buddy that bought a Peterbilt with a Paccar engine and it was in the dealer for work probably 20-30 times over the next couple of years, talk about frustrating. For me it was between the Volvo and Peterbilt and I actually could have bought Peterbilts cheaper at the time, but the engine and also the I-Shift transmission were a very appealing combination. Now I only have about 140,000 km on each truck so far in 9 years, but the only time they have had to go back for a repair was to fix a leaking AC hose(both had a leak from the same hose). |
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Post by torriem on Aug 21, 2022 9:59:09 GMT -6
Yes the I-Shift is very nice, partly because of the tight integration between the engine and transmission computers. I believe his trucks are also using SCR as well as the DPF.
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Post by shmiffy on Sept 16, 2022 11:42:29 GMT -6
There were govt ads for environmental enforcement officers 👮♀️ in western Canada a month ago.
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Post by kevlar on Sept 16, 2022 12:05:27 GMT -6
You should apply for the job, then never enforce any of the rules!! Get paid to beat them at their own game! Kind of like building a wall, and making them pay for it! lol
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