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Post by kenmb on Aug 13, 2022 7:22:47 GMT -6
Wondering how a guy goes about taking a random used FEL and put it on another random tractor.
Have a 4020 here with blade that does the auger work and such and I got to thinking another tractor in the 70-100hp range with FEL would be nice to setup a 2nd auger and give me better visibility for pallet forks rather than my mfwd.
So have been looking at Kijiji ads and tractors with FEL. And I got to wondering what if I bought a tractor without FEL and then picked up a used one from Gratton Coulee or elsewhere. Yes, if I got another 4020 I could eventually find a JD148 FEL and be half way home getting it to fit. But suppose I picked up an older IH tractor and then a Leon or Allied loader or something, then how would a guy fit one. Is it too much hassle to start marrying stuff together like this. While I know that given enough time and money then anything is possible I am more interested is how hard it is to make this happen these days. 25 years ago it wasn't too hard to find the pieces to fit a JD loader onto an older JD tractor but I think these are getting harder to find now so a guy maybe more into fabrication and if so, then maybe a newer loader gets found for an old tractor and a guy then makes what he needs. I can fab some stuff but making an entire sub frame to bolt to a tractor isn't where I want to go. Modify subframe mounts to match holes on a tractor frame I could do.
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Post by meskie on Aug 13, 2022 7:53:01 GMT -6
With a welder and a torch anything is possible. Besides custom making some pieces I think you will run into trouble trying to find the proper mounts. But put a ad on kijiji for what ever tractor you buy and you might find a loader or the correct mounts for it.
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Post by SWMan on Aug 13, 2022 8:36:16 GMT -6
Probably just as easy to find a tractor with a FEL already on, plus those older Deere's had weak front axles so depends what you intend to do with it.
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Post by Oatking on Aug 13, 2022 9:36:27 GMT -6
Kenmb, I'll take some pictures of my 1976 case 1070 tractor later . My dad put a loader on that tractor with some adaptation and ingenuity in 1988. He also built a three point hitch for it. He made it so you could slide it off the rear axil if it was not being used. He put it on his tractor so he could drop in a new cylinder and beater on his 7720 john deere combine.
Last week I snagged a 7130 premium john deere utility yard tractor and I am intrigued how that header slides off. Hope to bring it home next week. A loader with forks is the best thing since sliced bread!
Its things like that when I walk in the shop and see that tractor and loader parked, it reminds me of my dad and feels like he is still around.
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Post by snapper22 on Aug 13, 2022 9:54:29 GMT -6
I swear I saw a 148 loader on Facebook. I’ll look for you.
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Post by snapper22 on Aug 13, 2022 9:57:12 GMT -6
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Post by kevlar on Aug 13, 2022 10:02:20 GMT -6
What’s a front end loader cost used? We bought a wheel loader just so we would never have to buy a used tractor with a front end loader on it ever again, my apologies to you cattle guys, but chore tractors seem to be a fairly neglected piece of equipment, I know that all farmers aren’t like that, but there seems to be a lot. After using our loader, I wouldn’t take a tractor with bucket ever again. I always found that everything we were trying to use the tractor for was near the limit of what it was designed for.
To piece together something I would think would be quite a job, unless you were lucky enough to come across a used one made for the tractor you were putting it on.
Not to mention the added frustration of working on a tractor with a fel.
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Post by bob123 on Aug 13, 2022 10:37:22 GMT -6
southsask farmer on youtube pieces all sorts of loader tractors together and i dont think he spends much to do it lol.
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Post by Beerwiser on Aug 13, 2022 13:39:54 GMT -6
Only two real things to know. Distance from the axle to a spot on the frame where you can bolt to and the width of the loader end mounts. I have a loader off a ih560 if you are interested. The pipes that the loader is sitting on bolts just ahead of the front wheels.
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Post by kenmb on Aug 14, 2022 9:49:45 GMT -6
All valid points Kevlar but I am thinking something like 2nd 4020 around in case mine goes down for whatever reason. It runs auger, picks rocks, pulls wagons around and such. Kind of like a skid steer that is good for a lot of things but just doesn't work as a tractor. For $10,000 these days it is not a major expenditure to have a FEL tractor kicking around even if it may get 20 hours a year all combined.
Perhaps an add on Kijiji would work to find mounts. I would need to buy the tractor first and go from there. JD comes to mind more so for familiarity. Many makes and models are available but I suspect if given a choice of multiple brands/units I would likely get a 3020 or 4020. But who knows, it actually likely comes down to what tractor is local.
Looked at a 3140 with 148 loader not far away. Not a bad tractor but has some features I see as perhaps adding to things that can go wrong. Hydraulic operated PTO, power shift hi-low and internet says they can have lots of hydraulic issues inside transmission plumbing and such. So probably staying with a known like a 4020 gives me some comfort.
Also really would go for open platform. The 3140 was nice as a guy can run it from the ground with no cab in the way. Would likely be the main auger tractor if I bring home an open station unit. We are getting older and so climbing into cab 20 times a day to run auger is no longer a non-issue. And now the wife does it and her 68 year old dad helped last harvest so more people getting older.
I suppose it would make most sense to get a JD 3020/4020 with or without loader. Then adding a 148 loader later should be easy enough. Even if some brackets are missing there is enough examples of the tractor and loader combination to figure out how to fab what is needed.
Have my self convinced i should have an old open station FEL tractor around, now just figuring out how to get to that goal.
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Post by cropgrower on Aug 14, 2022 10:17:46 GMT -6
. i bought this last year , 2000$ , around 130 hp on pto , i always wanted a no cab tractor for auger , will be going on 13 inch auger this year , just fitted an electric splitter value yesterday as i need 3 valves for auger
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Post by kevlar on Aug 14, 2022 10:22:16 GMT -6
I fully agree on the open station. We have a 298 Massey with no cab that we use on the auger 95% of the time even though it’s maxed out on the 13 inch auger. So much easier to put the auger in a bin with no cab blocking your view and windows that are covered in dust from dumping trucks. I might be stupid, but some days I just enjoy working out in the open with no cab, that little tractor can’t do a lot but we have a mower on it and used to pick stones with it, it’s nice until it rains or cools right off and you have to move 10 miles!
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Post by kenmb on Aug 15, 2022 7:32:41 GMT -6
Thinking the same thing Kevlar, some days it is kind of nice to be in an open tractor. More so when it is not day number 12 of 12 hours of harrowing and picking rocks but rather run out with rock picker for a few hours to get the few you marked with GPS.
Looks like a bit of a hike to get up into that Ford crop grower. I suppose that is nature of the beast with anything above 80hp or so. Where does a guy get Ford tractor parts? The Ford tractors seem to have a good reputation and I see them on Kijiji often enough. Also see an excessive number of David Brown's right now on Kijiji Sk. Those were not common here I didn't think. I thought they were Case units marketed over seas but maybe I am wrong.
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cropgrower
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Post by cropgrower on Aug 15, 2022 9:20:38 GMT -6
Thinking the same thing Kevlar, some days it is kind of nice to be in an open tractor. More so when it is not day number 12 of 12 hours of harrowing and picking rocks but rather run out with rock picker for a few hours to get the few you marked with GPS. Looks like a bit of a hike to get up into that Ford crop grower. I suppose that is nature of the beast with anything above 80hp or so. Where does a guy get Ford tractor parts? The Ford tractors seem to have a good reputation and I see them on Kijiji often enough. Also see an excessive number of David Brown's right now on Kijiji Sk. Those were not common here I didn't think. I thought they were Case units marketed over seas but maybe I am wrong. yes that 9000 is a bit of a animal of a tractor allright , the 8000 and 9000 were the start of them 6 cyl fords ,first built in late 60s, and went on to become 9600, then 9700, and next the TW series , some parts will be same as TWs , their is some bits available from A+i and hi capacity and also new holland , and their their is some of them tractors in the wreckers here in manitoba ,so im shure i will find anything i need easy enough , and if it quits my TW 25 will go back on auger again , and i will fix in winter , and also small David browns are good , bigger ones not so much in my opinion !
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Post by SWMan on Sept 16, 2022 19:59:25 GMT -6
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