jvdl
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Post by jvdl on May 29, 2022 7:24:40 GMT -6
Had a screw up yesterday and ended up seeding canola at 2.5 inch’s deep, soil warm and is perfect moisture and fluffy sandy loam. I don’t usually make those mistakes but guess the long days are getting to me. Will it come up from that depth or do I plan on reseeding it today
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Post by kevlar on May 29, 2022 7:41:05 GMT -6
In our soil it likely wouldn’t, some plants would make it but most would run out of steam before coming up. If you’re sandier soil it might be alright with the good conditions you have.
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Post by SWMan on May 29, 2022 9:00:59 GMT -6
It will probably come up if it doesn't have to fight with a big mess of straw on the surface or crusting, probably at a reduced rate though. What seeding rate? If you have erratic depth some may be shallower...
Sometimes if a guy seeds at 4-5#/acre a mess up like this and a reduced plant stand is a good way to see how few plants will make a good canola crop.
We all screw up, welcome to the club!
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Post by shmiffy on May 29, 2022 9:39:35 GMT -6
Depends on the drill. If it’s in 2.5 behind a drill that packs hard not good. I banded some fertilizer at 2.5 inches then set the drill for 1.5 but missed two Openers. The deeper ones came up better and more consistent. Was really dry and no rain for weeks after. My drill really doesn’t have much for packing just a seed firmer. The packer wheel more or less just kicks the dirt back over the slot.
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Post by absk on May 31, 2022 20:30:49 GMT -6
What is the seed size? In my experience the bigger the seed the better chance it will come up if planted to deep.. I had some come up from 3 inches last year on a part of the field that was worked pretty black in the fall.. bigger seed tho it was right around 6 tkw if I recall correctly
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jvdl
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Post by jvdl on Jun 1, 2022 0:09:12 GMT -6
Decided to leave it as a experiment, was seeding 3.2 pounds and the kernel weight was 4 grams
I’ll post on how it turns out in a couple weeks
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Post by victory on Jun 1, 2022 8:39:39 GMT -6
At least you don't have to worry about it freezing off for a bit. By the time it comes up the cold nights should be over. Volunteer canola would easily survive under those conditions! lol
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Post by absk on Jun 1, 2022 17:34:31 GMT -6
Just my opinion so take it for what it’s worth but given the smaller seed size and that seeding rate I would reseed it.. I would think less than half of the seeds will make out of the ground couple that with a few flea beetles and I don’t think you will have the plant numbers and it will be a struggle for the whole season.. however if I did reseed I would leave a check strip just to see if it was worth while
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Post by SWMan on Jun 1, 2022 22:22:11 GMT -6
Even if half comes up he still has 1.6#/acre which amounts to over 4.1 plants per square foot which IMO is more than enough. BASF will probably say you need at least 6 but I disagree and here is why: In 2017 I had a field that was seeded into okay moisture but no rain for a bit so some seeds germinated and died. It was the poorest stand I had had in some time, but I had never re-seeded a crop before and was not about to start, so I left it. It was L140P Lumiderm treated I believe. Now the field progressed and at fungicide time I sprayed about 2/3 of the half section and quit because I didn't think it was thick enough. I don't remember how the year went specifically but I think we had a good growing season with adequate rainfall. The field did about 84 looking back at records and some parts were sustained 100-120 on the monitor and that was the thinnest part of the field at about 2-3 plants/ft. I couldn't believe it. So when someone says to rip up a field because of a low plant stand I say even if it's thin but even it still has good potential. Just keep the weeds out of it. Here is some pics of that crop and stubble.
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Post by garyfunk on Jun 2, 2022 8:08:11 GMT -6
I think your canola will be fine. I had frost one yr and ended up with less than 2/ft2 and still got a 50bu crop. That yr decided to reseed a small 25ac field to polish as it was June 6th, and had to put it down 2.5 inches to find moisture. Sandy loam like you described. Those little seeds came through that easily and ran high 30s which I thought was alright for polish.
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Post by serffarmer on Jun 2, 2022 8:20:02 GMT -6
I had some get chewed by flea beetles badly last year and had 0-2 plants per square foot. Rep was out and said to reseed but I decided not to as recommended by guys on the forum here. Was not nice to look at but ended up yielding 75% of average and grade was number 1 and in the bin 2 weeks before neighbours who did reseed. Of course last fall was a beauty so everybody had lots of time but normally those two weeks could a been a deal breaker. Tough to say about reseeding due to a depth issue as soil is different in every area but I think I’d leave it a bit and see what happens.
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Post by victory on Jun 14, 2022 19:54:58 GMT -6
How's that canola trial of yours jvdl? Hope enough of those little guys made it above ground! 8-)
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Post by renslip on Jul 13, 2022 7:23:08 GMT -6
I made this same mistake too. But on 1000 acres. Same thing, I don't make that mistake. Pretty careful about stuff like that (depth, calibration, seed loss etc). Four different varieties and the one with the biggest seed (7.6 tkw) looks the worst. Thinnest by far. Hope you guys are all right about thin plant stands on canola. By contrast, neighbors across the road has 12-15 plants a foot. Will be curious on it yield vs mine.
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Post by shmiffy on Jul 13, 2022 17:10:50 GMT -6
I checked out the Swiftcurrent research farms plot yesterday. They had some peaola plots and flax with chick peas. Chickpea seeding depth. Workers there say flax seems to make it up. Chick peas have to be seed into moisture.
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Post by jvdl on Jul 14, 2022 10:36:45 GMT -6
So the canola came up better than I expected, didn’t look at it for a bit then came back to scout it and discovered a considerable amount of cut worm damage, wow can those little guys do a lot of damage in a hurry, sprayed them and figured we’ll see what it looks like considering it’s all ready a experiment. So it is currently bolting and areas look ok 1-2 plants a square foot, some areas with moderate cutworm damage is 1 plant per every 2 square feet, heavy cutworm damaged areas range between 1 plant per meter all the way to just bare patches. Another fellow and I were looking at it the other day and agreed that the plants there look extremely good and that they should branch out well, also lots of space for air movement so doubt sceritina will be a problem( LOL)
Will try and get some pictures up in a bit
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