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Post by Oatking on Apr 27, 2022 16:50:31 GMT -6
Has any owner looked into installing the solid pull bars on there harrow bar? I wondered how much it would cost to dismantle the cables and cable wing bar and put the new designed solid pull bar.?
My unit is a 2021 so I didnt feel like trading up to a new one YET. I like the new set up for backing up or if a guy has to harrow down hill , you dont get the ends of the harrow rolling forward.
I am a big fan of these super 7 harrows for reduced fall tillage and pretty good spreading of straw performance.
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Post by SWMan on Apr 27, 2022 16:57:26 GMT -6
Have not looked into it, I actually like the fact that if you get into a tight space and turn short the cable will go slack instead of backing up and dumping straw. I am curious why someone who lives in one of the flattest area on earth is mentioning hills...ha ha
If you do ask about a kit I'd be curious. Only thing I ever really wanted to upgrade on mine was the tires to the ones they use now.
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Post by victory on Apr 27, 2022 19:28:58 GMT -6
Was looking at trading my old Bergen harrow bar for an Elmers Super 7. Are they so good that I should spend $70,000 to upgrade on a 70' model?
Those tires do look very nice! My neighbor has a 50' unit. How much hp do you need per foot? Would think the solid pull bars would be nice, but I have no experience.
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Post by SWMan on Apr 27, 2022 21:01:48 GMT -6
Was looking at trading my old Bergen harrow bar for an Elmers Super 7. Are they so good that I should spend $70,000 to upgrade on a 70' model? Those tires do look very nice! My neighbor has a 50' unit. How much hp do you need per foot? Would think the solid pull bars would be nice, but I have no experience. It's hard to recommend buying any of this high priced iron, and I don't know how Elmers compares to the copycat units like Summers/Bourgault/others are making. I will say that it is an important part of my operation and far exceeds the performance of other "heavy harrows" that I had previous like Summers, Bourgault, Degelman that had a 5 bar setup with 9/16" or 5/8" tines. I use mine on cereal and canola stubble both spring and fall. I harrow every acre I can and feel having straw and chaff spread evenly contributes to even crops. There is no combine on the market that accomplishes that in the way a good harrow pass will. As for power I have a 90' and pull with 525HP no problem at 10-14mph. You can make it work pretty hard if you put heavy down-pressure on, but I usually run tines all the way vertical and not much down-pressure. There is enough tines to do a lot of work it doesn't need to be pushed right down, that just tears stubble out and causes more grief and mess....and burns way more fuel! |
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Post by Oatking on Apr 28, 2022 6:13:09 GMT -6
I will second swman comments on the performance of the harrow. I was told 70 feet needs 330 hp by my dealer. I mistakenly stalled my 510 hp tractor with the downforce applied on 90 feet. I have never used mine over half applied down force. One comment some guys complain about is the half inch tines break. I think these guys are trying to use the harrows to repair ruts with down force applied full tilt. This is a harrow not a cultivator. Honestly , this is a game changer in straw management.
One important tip is buy the extended wear tip tines. Especially if your soil is even a bit sandy. Dont cheap out without it. Even on my clay soils I wished I paid the premium for them. This will improve trade in value if so desired.
Dont buy a 5 row harrow for straw management. I demoed a 5 row summers which is an excellent brand of harrow but does little in spreading stubble. Anybody have there new , is it 7 or 8 row harrow? cant remember which it is.
Bourgault's price for a 90 ft harrows is almost 130 grand now for last years model!
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Post by victory on Apr 28, 2022 16:47:11 GMT -6
Would save us from wondering where to buy gold bars if we could find where they are hiding it in these harrow bars. Can hardly be all steel for these prices!
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Post by victory on Apr 28, 2022 16:50:21 GMT -6
The 70' set of Elmers my dealer has in stock just has the front two rows of harrows with extended wear tips.
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Post by Oatking on Apr 28, 2022 17:07:08 GMT -6
I know , stuff made with steel these days costs thru the roof, Yes some sets have the wear tips in the front. Some guys will switch the front to back to average the wear down period.
Remember when setting the angle or down force to compensate for forward travel so you get a even contact of the teeth to ground. Once you operate it a few times you will see what I mean. That is an important tip! I think some guys just put the tines down and go and wonder why after two years the front is two inches shorter than the back. Its really cool to adjust the tines three ways inside the cab on the go!
Maybe swman could explain it better.
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Post by SWMan on Apr 28, 2022 21:15:17 GMT -6
Not sure I can explain it better, and the front rows always seem to take more wear it seems. Maybe it's because the front rows always encounter rough ground and often things are smoother when the last rows cross over? But putting crazy down-pressure has a tendency to press harder on the front of the bar than the rear, possibly because of flex in the linkage and harrow frame. Sometimes I wonder if the two main lift cylinders on the center hitch frame extended just a little further it would compensate for that.
The only time I put full down-pressure is when I go through a drainage ditch so the center of the wing has more downward travel and usually it stops it from dumping straw out.
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Post by BJT on Apr 29, 2022 20:46:54 GMT -6
Can anyone comment about 70’ vs 90’ elemers harrows? Wondering how they are in hillier rolly land ? Have a almost been degelman 5 bar 70’ I’m hoping to get rid of.
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Post by Oatking on Apr 29, 2022 21:12:44 GMT -6
As mentioned earlier , the solid frame pull arms will give much better support of the wings going down hill and you wont get the rolling forward effect. Yes I am a flat land farmer but best to look on the elmers video on line for a good description. I bought a new 70 ft and liked it so much the next year I traded it for a 90 ft. Would not want to be without it now.
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Post by BJT on Apr 29, 2022 21:26:18 GMT -6
I should explain better, worried about the “wings” following the contour of ground in the hills? 10’ per side probably won’t make a huge difference
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Post by Oatking on May 29, 2022 10:18:53 GMT -6
The price difference for the new 90 ft model campared to the 2021 model is 18 thousand retail or 108 thousand. I managed to get a little better deal because another farmer wanted my 1 year old unit in the worst way to harrow out his wet fields. So I snagged a 2022 model yesterday with the carbide tips. I like the cleaned up hitch without the folding arms and being able to back up to field corners.
This is my third super 7 unit and I would highly recommend the carbide tips on the tines. Even after one year the regular tines start wearing a half inch , and that is pulling the unit level so that wear is front to back. My soil is clay so I would be curious what would happen on sandy soils. Granted , last year it was dry and soil was hard so that would cause more wear. The carbide tips are 4800 for a 90 ft I plan on keeping this one for a long time so went with better tines.
108 thousand is sticker shock for a harrows I tell you. In comparison the elmers wolverine ditcher retails for 89000 and my dealer said that was for a left over 21 model as the 22 model this fall is selling for 99000.
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Post by slipclutch on May 29, 2022 11:39:21 GMT -6
Where did you buy oatking? I want a new bar too.
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