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Post by Oatking on Apr 26, 2022 6:27:42 GMT -6
This is looking like a real possibility in our wonderful clay filled fields in the Red River Valley, so I wondered if I could get some discussion on guys crop yield results? My own results for twenty five years of farming have been mixed. Barley crops seem to do the best and also yield the highest seeded in mid june. I was surprised at 90-115 bushels an acre of barley seeded in late june. Early seeded barley has had problem with seed rot or just doesnt take big rains well. Oats I have not had much success in June. Best yield was around 90 and normally 70-90 is typical when seeded at the crop insurance deadlines. My 25 year average on oats is 127 bu/acre. Never have grown wheat in June.
Barley may be a back up plan for me this year !
Thought it would be interesting know other guys cereal results! Thanks. I heard some guys are done seeding in southern alberta but the problem is it is as dry as a cracker. What a complete opposite problem from us valley farmers.
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Post by kevlar on Apr 26, 2022 7:04:20 GMT -6
We’ve sown a fair bit in June, certainly not the end of the world. Wheat likely wouldn’t make it but barley and oats have no problem. By mid June I’m not worrying about what the yield will be, more whether or not it will freeze and have nothing.
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Post by meskie on Apr 26, 2022 7:09:18 GMT -6
When ever we have seeded in June yields don’t take a big hit. If we are seeding that late moisture is never an issue and the crop is up in 2 days. Days are long and the ground is warm.
Our average start date around here is may 10-15 so nobody is worried yet.
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Post by garyfunk on Apr 26, 2022 8:09:44 GMT -6
Seeding in June up here probably won't even apply down there. But FWIW, like meskie says we don't usually start until later into the second week of May so no one is getting worried here yet. Oats and barley usually have no problem making it even if they're not in until June 10th. Seems to grow more biomass though so you'll have more material to put through the combine but the color of the grain will be better, especially the oats. You'd also better have a plan for seed for the next year because more than likely the germ will be no good.
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Post by cptusa on Apr 26, 2022 9:50:38 GMT -6
I understand it's different worlds and crops but in 2019 we were wetter then crap here April through May. Anything put in those months went into conditions that can only be described as "won't get stuck or plug the planter". Finished beans on June 5 that year which is pretty unheard of. No noticeable yield loss.
Bonus to late planting is longer daylight hours and the cows were all on pasture so far less chores.
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Post by SWMan on Apr 26, 2022 11:51:28 GMT -6
Although I feel it is too early for this conversation I would not be concerned about late seeding even into June with most crops. Corn I would pass on and soys would be an early June thing only(I have done first week with good success), but other cereals no problem. It used to be that if you seeded late disease would blow in from the south and take a toll, but now with fungicides that threat is over. Any trial data prior to 2000 showing late seeding is problematic in cereals is bunk, and even recent data if it was not managed properly with fungicide. All of my best cereal crops have been May crops and I don't even think about April seeding anymore...which isn't a problem for anyone this year except AB as noted.
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Post by generalchaos on Apr 26, 2022 16:55:09 GMT -6
My Father used to say “If it’s a late spring, it’ll be a late fall.” Hopefully that will be the case.
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Post by Oatking on Apr 26, 2022 19:50:49 GMT -6
I hope he is right! The last 4 years have been pretty easy going for spring seeding besides the usual frost and flea beetles, but mucky sticky clay is one thing I hate the most especially applying nh3 with the seed.
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Post by snapper22 on Apr 28, 2022 18:41:27 GMT -6
Latest start was may 25 for us. Warm summer and okay fall. We made out alright.
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Post by kens on Apr 28, 2022 20:46:30 GMT -6
I've always felt I lost a bit of yield the later I seed. Maybe its in my mind, but I always felt that the earlier I can get the crop into the flowering/reproductive stages to take advantage of the long days the better. Plus when it gets much into June I ussually cut my fertilizer rate back considerably. I would guess at the beginning of june I might lose 5-10% and at the middle it may be closer to 25-30%. Oats and barley do well in regard to maturity when seeding late, but by far my best yields are when I seed them early.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 19, 2022 19:06:45 GMT -6
Well I have to make a decision tonight. I had one field , lowest on farm seeded to oats. All my oats came up nicely except this field. We had an inch hard rain and for some reason a lot of my oats seems to swell up and get milky. Yeah they are toast i think. Tomorrow is the seeding deadline so was thinking of heading out tomorrow and reseeding. There is a stand but at what point do you leave the field or reseed. I fight this decision every time it comes up. 75 percent is up. What is your automatic answer to this problem. I have good insurance for reseeding. Its late but two weeks ago it was flooded since spring melt. This happen to be the only time in 25 years I managed to get the disc drill stuck on this field. Oh and one thing I learned is never back up in the mud with the drill when you are stuck...... Yup it took awhile after to unplug the spouts. arg....
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Post by shmiffy on Jun 19, 2022 20:06:25 GMT -6
Well I have to make a decision tonight. I had one field , lowest on farm seeded to oats. All my oats came up nicely except this field. We had an inch hard rain and for some reason a lot of my oats seems to swell up and get milky. Yeah they are toast i think. Tomorrow is the seeding deadline so was thinking of heading out tomorrow and reseeding. There is a stand but at what point do you leave the field or reseed. I fight this decision every time it comes up. 75 percent is up. What is your automatic answer to this problem. I have good insurance for reseeding. Its late but two weeks ago it was flooded since spring melt. This happen to be the only time in 25 years I managed to get the disc drill stuck on this field. Oh and one thing I learned is never back up in the mud with the drill when you are stuck...... Yup it took awhile after to unplug the spouts. arg.... Does the variety stool out good.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 19, 2022 21:18:26 GMT -6
I seeded pretty heavy at 3.45 bushels an acre to try and prevent to much for tillers because it was so late. Normally I would leave it for 3 or 4 days and than decide but now I am pushed to the deadline. Even my wife said its a tough decision what to do. Its not something I like to think of doing but crop insurance gives 25 percent reseed benefit so 25% time almost 600 an acre is a mighty big benefit to reseed it back to oats even though you have to spray out the original oats. Or do you have to spray them out. My rep at crop insurance said they allowed overseeding. What have you guys heard about overseeding and collecting the reseed benefit. Sorry for the questions.
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Post by kenmb on Jun 20, 2022 7:58:26 GMT -6
75% is up, as in 25% of the field is patches with no oats or 25% of space in rows don't have a plant coming up.
You don't seem to be in a cash flow crunch where every acres needs to meet xxx $ revenue to pay bills so if at the end of the year your total revenue on that piece is down some, is it a big issue? I don't think you need to worry about weed pressure from lack of crop competition as most weeds have already germinated by now. There will be some weeds that need high gdu to grow and will come yet but those are few.
If it is patches, you should be able to identify them and reseed those if you have a desire. If it is inter row then I would leave it. Let the plants tiller. You will probably have to swath but is it better to have 75% of the crop maturing earlier or is it better to have 100% of crop maturing later, depending how you handle it.
I tend to favor the approach of let's see what happens. If I need to count on every dollar then I need to be more precise and can't play the wait and see game. For me insurance is there to save a catastrophe, not so much to take advantage of to maximize revenue on an acre of land. If it's not a catastrophe happening right now I wouldn't respond as if it is one, regardless of crop insurance pays.
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Post by SWMan on Jun 20, 2022 9:24:22 GMT -6
What would you do if you weren't in crop insurance?
I would lean toward the best agronomic decision, not one based off some program from the gov't.
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