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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 20, 2021 19:52:58 GMT -6
I came across this video lately, this person has some amazing tools and abilities in his machine shop and does some interesting tests for youtube and I believe his shop is in Seattle Washington. In this test he is testing out the theory around the claim from some that doing a back drag technique ruins a file so he set out to see what actually happens. I know myself I often lightly drag back depending on what I am filing so I can maintain the angle I am trying to achieve, something like sharpening a chain saw is one example as I keep it in the tooth vs pull it out each time.
What I own brand wise is what seems to be available and so I read Nicholson depending on where its made isn't what it used to be but that seems to be the brand that is mostly carried where I buy files, had never even heard of these Pferd brand files before. Curious what others buy for a brand and what is there go to file cut style/courseness is on a flat file for example.
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Post by torriem on Nov 20, 2021 23:20:08 GMT -6
Totally awesome video! I love it when he makes these kind of videos totally thrashing the trolls. Loved his video on twisting tie-down straps. Instead of calling people idiots like I would do, he just makes a thorough testing jig and full experiment to prove they are idiots.
I'm also interested in what files I should buy. My takeaway from his video is that all my files are probably needing to be replaced, either from age or abuse.
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Post by Beerwiser on Nov 21, 2021 0:45:01 GMT -6
Torriem, stop using your files as hammers:). One of my favorite metal working guys, plain and simple with a good sense of humor. www.youtube.com/user/featony
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 21, 2021 1:01:16 GMT -6
That may have been you Torriem that had made a comment about his channel some time ago, I have not kept up with his video's but have seen a few of them including that strap test one. As to files I know all to well also that for years we had crap worn out files that dad would have bought long ago in his life and so as I grew up I am struggling with these worn out crap files and some of them had teeth knocked off in strips due to having tried to file some hard metal it was never intended to file. That was then though and for so for a long time since then I buy various files and have a drawer with new files only and then my draw of working flat files in various lengths and then a drawer of round files, unfortunately ran out of drawers to keep everything separate but that is the theme. That way when I am using certain sizes of flat file and decide its time to retire it I throw it into the garbage and pull out a fresh file of that size to go into the drawer with the rest of the files I use that are still in good shape. I got so tired of the crap we had around as it skated over the metal and a few filings would come off, what a waste of energy and time for no gain. As to quality, well that I may not have in my drawer with new files that sit there that I assume are going to be decent. It is amazing what one can do with new files to hog off metal with courser ones to doing finer work with fine files, an angle grinder just can't do everything. Having triangle files sure comes in handy sometimes for some things and that includes touching up a damaged spot on a large threaded bolt or even making a square hole for a carriage head bolt. Of course a selection of round files, straight round as well as aggressive tappered round, half round and even square files for that matter which I probably only have one very old small square file.
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Post by torriem on Nov 21, 2021 8:42:40 GMT -6
This Old Tony is one of my favorites! And a fellow Canadian as well. He has an automatic die filer he's shown on a few occasions. There's no way that machine lifts on the back stroke!
I've ruined a few files against the hardened edges of plasma cuts. I discovered the hard way you can't really drill out a plasma-cut hole, but a round file works well... for a while.
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Post by Albertabuck on Nov 21, 2021 9:26:22 GMT -6
Nicholson and have always drug back, my father taught me that as a kid, have always done it, and never had anyone I ever worked with question it. But then I learned in the real world, not in school. Have often read about lifting on back stroke, that is absolutely how it is taught in the books and school.
Only time I lift on the back stroke is when doing something very precise, like say saving a crank journal or such, I do it so I can visually see each stroke exactly what is being accomplished.
I use a wire brush to clean files, as in a hand one, have seen some use wire wheel on grinder. Never have had one of them file cards.
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Post by northernfarmer on Nov 21, 2021 12:36:26 GMT -6
Some of our old files we used to have were branded Black Diamond and so I read its a company that Nicholson bought out like they bought out many companies in the USA around the 1900 era but Nicholson kept that Black Diamond name on some of there files for many years. Since those files are long gone I can't look back at them but they could have been made in Canada as it says there was such a thing at one time. Also had a few Simonds files and I believe they were good files as well but like everything these days the quality has become suspect with all these off shore manufacturers as it seems we make so little here in North America and will be the death of us, that's a whole other topic of course.
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Post by meskie on Nov 21, 2021 13:08:26 GMT -6
If back dragging a file is going to ruin it you should buy better files. When I took a machining class they never mentioned anything about not back dragging a file.
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Post by snapper22 on Nov 21, 2021 13:14:09 GMT -6
I always lift on the back stroke thinking my files would get wrecked if I didn’t. Probably what wrecks files more is keeping them in a drawer together rattling off of one another. Mine are stored such that they don’t touch. Have a proper file card which I use after every use. I hate dirty files.
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Post by torriem on Nov 21, 2021 14:07:14 GMT -6
I think Fireball Tools' video firmly puts the myth that back dragging dulls files to rest. And it makes sense too when you think about the hardness of the file vs the hardness of mild steel.
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Post by snapper22 on Nov 21, 2021 18:17:40 GMT -6
I think Fireball Tools' video firmly puts the myth that back dragging dulls files to rest. And it makes sense too when you think about the hardness of the file vs the hardness of mild steel. Yes and now I feel bad for starting a fight with my old man back dragging a file one time.
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