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Post by kevlar on Feb 16, 2021 9:38:23 GMT -6
Trying to put together a different seeding rig for this spring. We have run Bourgault for a long time, but have some questions on few different things.
Option #1 Just upgrading our air tank to a 6550. I imagine they're a pretty good tank, will a 8810 frame handle it? I'm sure it would, and putting it behind our 40 foot 8810. Option #2 Found an older 8800 58 foot I think it is with 8 inch spacing, which is really what we want to go with, our current drill is 10 inch which I find too wide as we swath all our cereals. Are they a lighter frame than the 8810? How big of tank can you pull behind them? This would just be for seeding. We currently put 46 down with our old FH36-40 and it seems to have no problems. Option #3 Buy some lottery tickets and maybe get to buy something brand new speced exactly how I want it?
Can buy 5710's for a song, but they pack too much for our soils and I don't believe you can change the packing pressure?
Will be pulling with a 9880 with tripples and turned up to 425 hp. Trying to simplify things as dad is getting older and doesn't want to be running us around all the time for trucks etc. Also hoping to free up some time so I can run the sprayer more as well and not feel like we're getting behind because the drill is parked. Just doing some pondering. And yes, money is a factor!!
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Post by SWMan on Feb 16, 2021 9:52:54 GMT -6
Years ago I pulled a 7950 behind a 8810, so a 6550 won't be any issue at all. 8800 might have a lighter front hitch, that would be something to look for. The A-frame hitch is what you want.
If you are looking for a 6550 I have the mintiest 6550 around with X20, duals, etc. I'm looking to go to a 700-950 bushel cart again if possible. The tank market is a bit picked over right now though...
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Post by meskie on Feb 16, 2021 10:29:27 GMT -6
5710 will pack more but the 5.5” rubber packer are supposed to pack less. You would have no troubles pulling a 6550 behind a 8800/8810.
I mean you should probably stick to a 6450 which I happen to have one for sale. We picked up a slightly used 7700 for a very reasonable price.
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Post by kevlar on Feb 16, 2021 12:28:42 GMT -6
Oh goodie!! Looks like we have a selling war going on! Buyers market!! lol Might go look at a tank close to home here, an '07 for 45,000, not sure what to expect for that price. Are the metering drives pretty bullet proof? We have just had the old mechanical drives with sprockets, like that for long term reliability as we tend to keep stuff for close to forever. The simplicity is also what keeps us in the c shank drills. Just did the bushings on the 8810 last year and it's literally like new again. Disks in our soil on a damp or wet year is a nightmare.
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Post by meskie on Feb 16, 2021 12:31:41 GMT -6
We have only done one transmission on our 6450. It’s a 09 and other then the normal wear items like chain and metering augers it hasn’t given any trouble. You will like the transmissions for changing rates over the chain and sprocket metering.
(I’d sell ours for $50,000.). Deluxe auger dual shoot with X20 and the NH3 sectional on it.
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Post by totaledmygn on Feb 16, 2021 13:09:56 GMT -6
Oh goodie!! Looks like we have a selling war going on! Buyers market!! lol Might go look at a tank close to home here, an '07 for 45,000, not sure what to expect for that price. Are the metering drives pretty bullet proof? We have just had the old mechanical drives with sprockets, like that for long term reliability as we tend to keep stuff for close to forever. The simplicity is also what keeps us in the c shank drills. Just did the bushings on the 8810 last year and it's literally like new again. Disks in our soil on a damp or wet year is a nightmare. That 6550 at Shoal Lake? If I had a tractor that could run those fans I would have been interested too. I wonder why it's so much cheaper it doesn't look bad in photos.
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Post by kevlar on Feb 16, 2021 15:12:28 GMT -6
Oh goodie!! Looks like we have a selling war going on! Buyers market!! lol Might go look at a tank close to home here, an '07 for 45,000, not sure what to expect for that price. Are the metering drives pretty bullet proof? We have just had the old mechanical drives with sprockets, like that for long term reliability as we tend to keep stuff for close to forever. The simplicity is also what keeps us in the c shank drills. Just did the bushings on the 8810 last year and it's literally like new again. Disks in our soil on a damp or wet year is a nightmare. That 6550 at Shoal Lake? If I had a tractor that could run those fans I would have been interested too. I wonder why it's so much cheaper it doesn't look bad in photos. [br Shhhhhhhhhhhhh! lol
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Post by serffarmer on Feb 16, 2021 20:51:07 GMT -6
What size cart are u pulling right now? 6550 is a nice cart. Haven’t had any transmission issues on our 6550 but did have to pull one on the 5440 we had before that. When we ran a 8810 we had a 3 inch btt opener on the 10 inch spacing. Worked really well for swathing but we were going one pass. Can see why u wouldn’t want to go that route if your putting on fertilizer ahead but would be an option to help with swathing.
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Post by kevlar on Feb 16, 2021 21:23:37 GMT -6
Right now we use a 40 foot 8810 with 10 inch spacing and 2 inch spoons and K Hart packers, leaves it not too bad for roughness, a lot better than the original Bourgault packers and a pull behind 4350, and pulled it with our 9680 (350 horse). Tried one pass with mid row banders and NH3, never again. Fertilizing we had a 895 pulling a 40 foot Bourgault FH36-40 and 2155 tank, so you can see why we want to upgrade that, constantly filling. Worked really well for being as old as it is.
Have semi retired the 895 so going to put the 9680 and 8810 on fertilizer, and possibly the 4350 tank or a bigger tank. That's just where we're trying to mix and/or match up different scenarios to get the best bang for our limited buck. Not even ruling out rebuilding the old drill for seeding and pulling the 350 bushel tank and putting a 550 on fertilizer. We put the 46 on in the spring ahead of the drill to warm the ground up and most years to try dry it out a bit, sowing into mud here nets us zero.
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Post by garyfunk on Feb 17, 2021 13:47:23 GMT -6
I noticed the tank in Shoal Lake doesn't have the bag lift. Not sure what you use now but I wouldn't be without the bag lift on our 6450. Not just for canola but for every time we're calibrating it's nice for taking the boxes back up.
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Post by SWMan on Feb 17, 2021 14:27:44 GMT -6
Yes definitely get one with a bag-lift, especially since you have had back problems. Also don't get one with a 591 monitor unless you want a bird nest of wiring in the cab and you want to chase rates around all day pushing buttons. X20 gives you a lot of nice features. Also make sure you get duals on it. Did I mention mine has all those options...lol If you are looking to band I have a near-new 8910 on 10" spacing on the front of mine, all ready to go to the field. Isn't that sexy!!!
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Post by kevlar on Feb 17, 2021 21:03:18 GMT -6
You can't imagine how badly I would love to have a set up like yours. Just not in the cards. It's always nice to see and hear what other guys farm with, at times it gets a bit depressing when I look at what we have compared to others, but then I think I still have it pretty good, our stuff is older but in nice shape. The best part of our farm is also part of the reason money is always a bit tight, there are three families making a living off our farm, mine, my brothers, and my parents still, although they are pretty much retired, I wouldn't want to change this arrangement for anything. Someday I might have all that I want for machinery, but that will likely be the same time our kids won't let me run the new stuff! "Here dad, how 'bout you run this old thing for the day?" lol
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Post by Oatking on Feb 19, 2021 7:10:20 GMT -6
Hey kevlar, I would farm with horses if it could bring back dad to the farm. I think you are fortunate to have family involved with the farm. When I read threads about seeding practices from farmers across the western prairies I am amazed of the different equipment guys prefer. Its interesting based on soil conditions what a farmer may do before seeding. Here in the Red River Valley , like river lots or the outer 4 miles from the river we would never till before seeding. Our soil packs to much and turns hard. Disc Drills work the best here. When you get west of Brunkild soil starts getting lighter. I would find it really interesting farming lighter land like yours kevlar.
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Post by kevlar on Feb 19, 2021 8:34:04 GMT -6
Ya it's funny how one thing can work so well for one farm but be a complete disaster for another. Every soil type sure requires a different approach. Our land here isn't all that light, we're in a pocket where a good chunk of our land is class B, some C, and a few hundred acres of D, and it all needs to be handled a little different. We have a bout a foot to a foot and a half of topsoil, then really heavy dense clay right below it, that's why we can't handle too much rain, almost nothing seeps away. A wet year devastates our heavy land when the poorer land will out perform it. Last year our best barley crop we had after the 15 inch rain was on a quarter with D land because it was able to soak the excess away after with almost nothing drowned out. We tried MRB for a few years (a few years too many) and they just don't work. It's almost never dry here in the spring, and between the banders being gummed up and plugged with dirt and the furrow not closing back in allowing too much gassing off, they are now piled nicely beside our barn. A neighbor was certain he wanted them for his drill, I kept pointing out their faults but he was persistant, I'm glad that I realized his drill was 8 inch spacing and ours were for 10 inch. They use liquid so the gassing off wouldn't be an issue, but the stopping every round to get the disks turning again would have made me a bad neighbor! God, every time I think back about using those things gives me a headache!
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Post by SWMan on Feb 19, 2021 11:49:32 GMT -6
Wow, "B" land!!! Most is "E" here. Must be nice.
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