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Post by Beerwiser on Jan 28, 2021 19:32:15 GMT -6
Looks like you grain guys will finally have codes of practice to follow. Voluntary now, but I see where this is going. I wish they would list who the industry partners are. I couldn't find it on the site, but I heard stupid ducks have their fingers in there. Edit, found them. Under about us. responsiblegrain.ca/ |
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Post by meskie on Jan 28, 2021 20:15:59 GMT -6
Sounds like it’s going into more consults. Very bad backlash from the first draft.
Twitter folks are giving them a good bashing. Sounds like guys that asked questions can’t get any straight answers.
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Post by shmiffy on Jan 28, 2021 20:28:11 GMT -6
They can disappear
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Post by dryfarmer1969 on Jan 31, 2021 7:51:08 GMT -6
Fight against this as hard as you can, UN and goverments should not be telling us or controlling how we farm. This is bureaucratic meddling at it's very worst.
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Post by SWMan on Jan 31, 2021 10:31:44 GMT -6
More of our money pi$$ed away through check-offs and industry organizations that most of the time don't serve the ones who fund all this. I'm convinced we would be better off with no representation than what we have now. I've been to some of their "leadership events" and one of their big pushes is that these sorts of things will happen whether we are there or not, so we may as well have a seat at the table. Apparently it's out of their grasp that we could actually say NO to things like this. NO means NO, not yes or maybe....
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Post by meskie on Jan 31, 2021 12:55:24 GMT -6
Just need everybody to get their check off money back maybe they will get the message if enough people do that.
I bet if it was a voluntary check off not many would sign up for it instead of the other way where we have to jump through hoops to get our money back.
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Post by shmiffy on Jan 31, 2021 13:13:38 GMT -6
The check off needs to be a “yes or no” when the grain check is issued not taken and you have to apply for it back
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Post by bobofthenorth on Jan 31, 2021 13:59:01 GMT -6
More of our money pi$$ed away through check-offs and industry organizations that most of the time don't serve the ones who fund all this. I'm convinced we would be better off with no representation than what we have now. I've been to some of their "leadership events" and one of their big pushes is that these sorts of things will happen whether we are there or not, so we may as well have a seat at the table. Apparently it's out of their grasp that we could actually say NO to things like this. NO means NO, not yes or maybe....
The ag input retail industry has consolidated. The ag input manufacturing/wholesale industry has consolidated. The ag equipment industry has consolidated at the manufacturing and retails levels. The agchem/seed industry has consolidated. Farms have consolidated. The only entity in the entire system that has proliferated is the representative organizations.
Farmers need someone to advocate for them but right now you've got so many entities with so many conflicting goals that it is simple for government to play them off against each other and ignore them all. Meanwhile you've got association managers whose resumes are judged by how big a staff they have and how big their personal salary is. There is no incentive in the system to ever reduce costs. Combine that with checkoffs that are bureaucratic nightmares to recall and you end up with a system that costs a lot and delivers a little.
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Post by gleanerl on Jan 31, 2021 16:53:00 GMT -6
Resist all you can. It will be like the Quality Assurance Program for raising pigs that I use to do. Started out voluntary then became mandatory. More work/paper work for us farmers and not one penny more for doing it. Just more cost. It will be shoved on us and told that if you don't do it you can't market your crops or without financial penalties.
Unfortunately farmers don't have the political power to tell the bureaucrats where to shove their ideas. My Federal MP always tells me how frustrating it is to try and do something for farmers when so many farm organizations show up for a meeting in Ottawa, all with different ideas instead of one. The worst thing my MP has told me is how much they laugh at us after the meeting and the doors are closed. "No need to do anything for them because they can't get themselves organized".
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Post by garyfunk on Jan 31, 2021 17:42:49 GMT -6
My crystal ball sees prescription pesticides in the not too distant future. You'll need a certified agronomist to sign off your purchases/applications.
But then my crystal ball was pretty murky with the markets for the last couple years, ha.
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Post by meskie on Jan 31, 2021 18:26:53 GMT -6
I can see the time coming for needing an agronomist to sign off on it. You can’t buy anything for cattle now a days without having a vet sign off on it.
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Post by iamwill on Jan 31, 2021 19:59:04 GMT -6
Its becuz we ar tu stuped tu thingk fore arselfs. Just like every time we are told it's the hottest summer on record but my corn needs all of September and most of October to fully mature. I don't know, believe a few scientists or millions of corn plants? Usually when I consult an agronomist or vet they just confirm what I already believed. Just another way to spend more money. What will this accomplish  ?? |
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Post by kevlar on Feb 1, 2021 9:36:06 GMT -6
Its becuz we ar tu stuped tu thingk fore arselfs. Just like every time we are told it's the hottest summer on record but my corn needs all of September and most of October to fully mature. I don't know, believe a few scientists or millions of corn plants? Usually when I consult an agronomist or vet they just confirm what I already believed. Just another way to spend more money. What will this accomplish ?? Wow, your spelling is terrible!!! It's spelled "STOOOPID", not stuped.
I don't know what to think of all these groups "representing" us. Every farm has different needs so one group can't please everyone, but having so many groups representing every farm, they become so watered down with no teeth. I used to belong to KAP for a few years, now I agree they have done some good things, but the meetings were painful at times, when a few people there had a different idea than what the majority wanted, they dragged things on and on and made things so difficult for the rest of the people would just throw up their arms and give in or not go the direction they were wanting to in the first place. For example just before the CWB was dissolved, 99% of the people at the meeting wanted it gone, a couple people didn't but they were the squeaky wheel and wouldn't let things go forward, they were hours trying to make a resolution that would satisfy the minority. And many of these boards are just stepping stones for those wanting to get into politics and this gets their foot in the door.
I agree, any money going to these groups should be voluntary and asked if you want the check off taken each time a cheque is printed. As soon as it becomes mandatory, they no longer need to be accountable and money is wasted and they no longer represent the people paying them, AKA - government.
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