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Post by cptusa on Dec 12, 2020 5:42:04 GMT -6
Well the big injury bug got me last Sunday and I'm laid up a bit, let my accident educate you and prevent another.
Overhead shop door was giving me troubles so I made some repairs to the driveand still wasn't getting smooth action. Put ladder against wall to check out springs, couldn't spot anything and was getting ready to descend when the bottom started sliding and well, that's all she wrote. Tried to out climb and grab door or track or springs or anything but just couldn't.
Feet were probably 10 feet off ground, ended up with 13 stitches in head, concussion, sprained ankle, whiplash, broken ulna and dislocated radius.
Inspect your ladders anf get rid of any questionable ones, on mine thd bottom padslooked intact and functional but had gotten hard then naturally less "bite" to hold ladder.
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Post by Albertabuck on Dec 12, 2020 9:43:55 GMT -6
Capt am sorry to hear about your mishap, def could have been worse. I had noticed you had recently got rather quiet and was wondering if things were ok...guess I am fairing better than you as I got my own issues recently as well lol. Beerwieser and I both mentioned what we think of ladders a while back when we was talking about our manlift investments, them damm things can do unexpected things indeed. I had it drilled into me as a child about making sure the feet are secure and also how to "hold" a ladder for someone else. Being overly paranoid of having happen exactly what you had, I tie them in place or most commonly will use a tractor to work as a containment, be it jamming the feet of the ladder against the side of a tire or like when tarping a bale stack, I use the nose and with the loader in the air it works as kind of a cage up top where you are pulling on the tarp and such. Even if I am having someone else climb one for me, I will secure it for them, some laugh at the idea, others who have had close calls themselves it often results in a conversation about new ideas. Funny thing is for me the worst ladder incidents I have had were with those 6 footer alumminum step ladders, use them for washing windows and more on equipment, will never go near the top couple steps, but all you have to do is lean one way and the damm things begin to twist and more and be a few times the windex or the grease gun was disposed of in one hell of a hurry and you are grabbing onto whatever you can to stabilize yourself to get back down. Being the cheap prick I am I bought a nice set of light steel steps about ten feet long, want to put some big enough wheels so I can use them outside but the intention is to make my own set of mobile stairs as in this part of the world the manufactured ones are never cheap. Hope things heal up ok
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Post by meskie on Dec 12, 2020 9:52:10 GMT -6
Yes those cheap 6’ step ladders are a hazard. I got one of those folding extension/step ladders from Canadian tire on sale. It’s heavy but a lot safer to work on.
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Post by torriem on Dec 12, 2020 9:53:30 GMT -6
Ouch! Thanks for the safety reminder. I hadn't thought much about the pads getting hard. A couple of years ago I fell off a ladder and bruised myself quite badly. And that was off the first step of a step ladder! I hate ladders and try not to use them very often without someone to hang onto it for me. Hope you recover swiftly.
The best thing we ever bought on the farm was a scissor lift at an auction. It's a bit bulky and gas-powered, but it's well worth dragging out even to do something as simple as adjusting a door opener or changing a light. Might keep my eye open for either a smaller electric one for in-shop use, or a cherry-picker-style forklift where you go up with the forks carrying a man basket. Cousin bought one recently at auction and it's really slick. They are using it to mount lights in their shop.
Also on the list is a boom lift for opening and closing bin lids.
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Post by Oatking on Dec 12, 2020 10:01:57 GMT -6
Take it easy capt usa and heal up. That is quite an accident. Up here in Manitoba we had a lot of freezing rain this past week, followed by cold temps and most of my hopper bin ladders are all ice up. I hate climbing up fifty feet to check grain in the winter time. Next bins will have a stair case ladder system. Its a good reminder, to not cheap out on safety , however all the care in the world sometimes cant prevent injuries.
Hey capt, since its christmas time, have a laugh and put on National lampoons christmas vacation and watch Clark Griswold working on the ladder putting christmas lights up!. He is a beauty!hahaha.
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Post by bobofthenorth on Dec 12, 2020 10:28:00 GMT -6
Well the big injury bug got me last Sunday and I'm laid up a bit, let my accident educate you and prevent another. Overhead shop door was giving me troubles so I made some repairs to the driveand still wasn't getting smooth action. Put ladder against wall to check out springs, couldn't spot anything and was getting ready to descend when the bottom started sliding and well, that's all she wrote. Tried to out climb and grab door or track or springs or anything but just couldn't. Feet were probably 10 feet off ground, ended up with 13 stitches in head, concussion, sprained ankle, whiplash, broken ulna and dislocated radius. Inspect your ladders anf get rid of any questionable ones, on mine thd bottom padslooked intact and functional but had gotten hard then naturally less "bite" to hold ladder. Damn. That hurt just reading it. And it's gonna come back and bite me the next time I have to climb a ladder. I was already paranoid about any ladder work and this isn't going to make it easier. Got a friend who was in a ladder in the FEL bucket leaned up against the tree he was trimming. Yeah - what could go wrong with that plan? It took several years for him to recover and he's still not 100%. We're not invincible, no matter what we thought when we were 20.
Glad to hear you're around to heal up.
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Post by kenmb on Dec 12, 2020 11:41:18 GMT -6
I am guilty as hell of doing all the bad things on ladders. There are many things that are drilled into my head when working on jobsites that come home to the farm. Tying off a extension ladder is not one of them. Maybe today I will tie a piece of rope to the top rung so it's there when I think of it. Can't always tie off, but if it is tied then you can grab the ladder and hang on if things go bad.
Ladder use on jobsites are pretty much banned now. Used to be you needed 3 points of contact at all times. So not two feet and then two hands working on a valve above you. Some places allow you to work on that valve if you are working within the rails of the ladder, not reaching over. But most places allow you to climb a ladder to a platform and thats it. If you need to work at an elevation it is done with scaffolding or manlifts. Scaffolding crews got really busy starting about a dozen years ago. It is sure nice working on a platform vs a ladder, but really bogs down a job when sometimes you only need to work at an elevation for 20 minutes, and you have a ladder, but can't use it.
It's a good thing to post Captain.
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Post by cptusa on Dec 12, 2020 15:01:16 GMT -6
Yes this is why I haven't posted. Somewhat difficult the first few days getting everything rebooted.
One thing for sure that has really humbled me and broke me a couple times is the out pouring of support and offers to help etc. Heard so many times now I drop everything in a heartbeat to help anyone, it's the least they feel they can do.
It's the great part about small, tight nit communities, we do take care of each other, it's just extremely humbling.
We're going to have a party here when I get heeled up for everyone that helped or offered.
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Post by Beerwiser on Dec 13, 2020 13:12:29 GMT -6
Wow, good to see you are ok and I use that term very loosely. As mentioned it could have been much worst. A guy was killed a few years ago doing that exact same thing. Hopefully you heal up fully and quickly.
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Post by SWMan on Dec 13, 2020 13:26:01 GMT -6
Well the big injury bug got me last Sunday and I'm laid up a bit, let my accident educate you and prevent another. Overhead shop door was giving me troubles so I made some repairs to the driveand still wasn't getting smooth action. Put ladder against wall to check out springs, couldn't spot anything and was getting ready to descend when the bottom started sliding and well, that's all she wrote. Tried to out climb and grab door or track or springs or anything but just couldn't. Feet were probably 10 feet off ground, ended up with 13 stitches in head, concussion, sprained ankle, whiplash, broken ulna and dislocated radius. Inspect your ladders anf get rid of any questionable ones, on mine thd bottom padslooked intact and functional but had gotten hard then naturally less "bite" to hold ladder. Hmmm, I was working on my shop door the other day and was working off the top step of my 12' step ladder to get into the attic on the shop... Glad you aren't permanently out of commission and hope you make a full recovery soon. Be thankful for good neighbors and business partners, none of us would be anywhere without them. A simple heart-felt thankyou goes a long way.
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Post by cptusa on Dec 13, 2020 14:02:48 GMT -6
Wow, good to see you are ok and I use that term very loosely. As mentioned it could have been much worst. A guy was killed a few years ago doing that exact same thing. Hopefully you heal up fully and quickly. My second roommate of 3 nights in the hospital is only 7 years older then me. He came to hospital because he was starting to have trouble walking. Discovered cancer in his back and lungs. Told him later at night after visiting hours. I was low on comprehension due to injury and meds. Said his first name and sorry and he could talk if wanted or tell me to piss off, either way I couldn't hold a conversation but he could vent. Couldn't feel worse for or more touched by a man I spent 48 hours 15 feet from and never saw. I'm not ok yet but I will be
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Post by northernfarmer on Dec 13, 2020 14:58:22 GMT -6
We humans don't do so well at falling from relatively low heights, nor do most of us have 9 lives like cats. That is a shitty ordeal Capt and I know myself from falling from relatively low heights off ladders due to one thing or another that it happens so fast and usually there is not a thing one can do in that "oh shit" moment. Not long ago talking to someone on the topic about climbing an extension ladder to a bin roof and that persons experience of the ladder slipping sideways off the bin wall when he was up on the roof and no way down and luckily the fuel truck came into his yard and yelled over to him to put the ladder back up. Also was looking at a neighbours progress just yesterday in him insulating and sheeting the inside of a shop he had externally built by a company this summer and his ladder didn't even have feet at all on it and was placing a heavy object at the ladder base to keep it from kicking out from under him just like you had happen but he is far from done yet. He in fact did have it start to move on him once as he heard it slide but it happened to catch traction again aluminum to cement and saved him from death that day as he was way up working on the 18 foot high ceiling installing lights with the ladder leaned against the tractor bucket
Some years ago after a friend had shown his step ladder I will call it, I bought one like it only the tallest one in this style and is it ever a nice ladder. Its not called a step ladder although that is what it amounts to in a sense but Sturdy ladder is the brand and they do also make step ladders, extension ladders and so forth, its a company that lists their head office in Calgary. The series I am speaking of is called the 130 series "Mustang" saw horse ladders and I have a few of the three rung ones pictured and then the tallest 8 foot unit and the top is 30 inches wide on all of them and the base wider as you go taller in model height and being that it has steps on both sides I sometimes will sit at the top straddling the ladder with one foot on either side or go up one side and sit down and transition to the other side and back down depending on what I am working on. So much more stable then the typical step ladder I've had around here when it comes to doing something outside on a somewhat uneven ground surface where a normal step ladder would be over in a heart beat. Still have to be careful as always and the rungs get slippery in the cold with snow on them like anything aluminum does but its a far superior principle due to that width. They don't come cheap at all, most decent aluminum ladders don't. SWMan, I see they make a 16 foot high step ladder, I've not seen one but something tells me you need a taller one then what you have for climbing in your shop !. UFA does handle the brand but imagine builder supply places do as well but its not the type of brand you see just anywhere.
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Post by torriem on Dec 13, 2020 22:14:37 GMT -6
I don't care what it costs, rent a scissor lift for a week (or a month) to put up sheeting and shop lights! I guess he'll do what he wants. But hopefully he knows there's a better safer way.
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Post by northernfarmer on Dec 13, 2020 22:42:52 GMT -6
I don't care what it costs, rent a scissor lift for a week (or a month) to put up sheeting and shop lights! I guess he'll do what he wants. But hopefully he knows there's a better safer way. I discussed the use of a scissor lift and perhaps if he knew of someone who owned a lift in a finished shop and wasn't using it much make a deal to rent it/have it sit there as he works on his shop if he wasn't willing to rent through a rental company. He did say he made up some sort of platform and tied it down onto his forks of his front end loader tractor ( I never saw it ) and I asked if he had made railings for it ... LOL. You know the answer to that and with such a platform means climbing up a ladder onto it so potential issues there if not careful. At least the contractors had done the ceiling tin but he had to still crawl up into the attic for more wiring and then eventually will get someone to blow in insulation. The radiant heat still has to be installed so that will be another fun project and then like I mentioned the upper half of the wall tin ( he is going horizontal with the tin, that's another story ). Pretty chilly in there now with the turn in the weather and no temporary heater that exhausts outside. I put the bug in his ear without being pushy as after all its not my funds going into building the shop.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 19:29:16 GMT -6
Flame away, Lol
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