MBRfarms
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Post by MBRfarms on Nov 24, 2020 17:51:13 GMT -6
Wondering what other guys have been trying to push their wheat a little harder. We've done fertility trials the last few years and simply dumping on more N just doesn't do much for us. We've got very high soil P levels but tissue tests show the crop is running low around flower/grain fill. Tried upping P rate with minimal response, going to try some elemental S next year to hopefully help with availability of the P in the soil. Micros still seem to be a waste for us after a few trials. We saw a major response to a flag leaf fungicide pass this year, we will definitely be incorporating that into our program going forward. Been growing mainly Brandon the last few years and very happy, might throw in some Starbuck next year.
What is everyone else doing? What does your fertility and chemical plan look like? What varieties have guys been having good luck with in higher yielding heavy ground + manure conditions? How have the higher yielding CPSR wheats like Penhold and Rowyn been doing compared to Brandon and other CWRS wheats?
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Post by torriem on Nov 24, 2020 18:06:45 GMT -6
What is the market for the CPSR wheats? We sometimes grow it here for the feed market. On a year like this one feed prices are at least as good as elevator CWRS prices. CPS yields are always about 20% higher for us vs the hard red spring wheat. We also grow a fair amount of winter wheat and a GP wheat called Pasteur. Normally we sell most of that into the feed market through a local commodities broker. If you can get your wheat to the US, they buy Pasteur down there as milling wheat.
I am not sure anything can be done to boost hard red spring wheat yields. I think we've maxed it out. Adding ESN to our blend had a noticeable bump most years. We also use MESz or 40 Rock with our wheat and feel like that helps a little bit too.
Wheat is a weird crop. We will plant and fertilize for 100 bu/ac at the recommended plant count (usually works out to 130-150#/ac seed). Yet we rarely break 90 with irrigation. Then I have some dryland fields that in the hollows with lots of rain fall will yield 80 bu/ac with a third the fertilizer and only seeding at 60#/ac. I sometimes think I'm just wasting my money across the irrigated wheat. This year I had an entire dry quarter of hard red spring wheat that yielded 70 bu/ac, planted at 60#/ac, fertilized with only 40 # of N and 20#P. Across the road an irrigated field maybe hit 80 with way more groceries.
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jaymo
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Post by jaymo on Nov 26, 2020 18:34:45 GMT -6
Have had pretty good results with Faller wheat the last number of years. It would be a cnhr, not cwrs. Wheat is hard to figure out sometimes. Seeding conditions and timing seem to be almost as important as your fertilizer package. Early seeding usually seems to pay off. Seeding early into cold and dry soil seems to be the best. Early into cold and wet soil, not so great.
Fungicide is a big factor too. Prosaro at early flower has paid better then flag and flower. I know some guys that do both and swear by it too.
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Post by hardrockacres on Nov 27, 2020 7:56:25 GMT -6
Been averaging 70~high 80's growing hard red here. and been able to get the protein levels up to 13.5~14 over time. My basic fertility now for this yield is almost identical to my canola program other than a bit of a cut on Sulphur rate. It always gets 1/2 rate fungicide with the herbicide pass and then again at flowering if I think the conditions warrant. so not a yearly thing. have also boosted seed rate to cut down on tillering. All this seems to work on my farm.
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MBRfarms
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Post by MBRfarms on Dec 3, 2020 11:48:40 GMT -6
Last time we grew CPSR wheat was in 18 and Paterson was very aggressive when marketing it, we also have lots of feedmills locally to market to if feed prices stay high. Might switch back to it for next year with solid prices and yield advantage. What fungicides have guys been using? We've done mostly Prosaro or Caramba at early flower with great results but I've heard tons of hype over Miravis Ace this year, anyone do any trials? We've always thrown some K in our starter blend for stalk strength but never actually done any trials, both soil and tissue tests show very high levels. It's pretty cheap but I sometimes wonder if we're throwing some money away on it, has anyone else done side by side comparison with K for yield and stalk strength?
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Post by SWMan on Dec 3, 2020 19:41:41 GMT -6
Last time we grew CPSR wheat was in 18 and Paterson was very aggressive when marketing it, we also have lots of feedmills locally to market to if feed prices stay high. Might switch back to it for next year with solid prices and yield advantage. What fungicides have guys been using? We've done mostly Prosaro or Caramba at early flower with great results but I've heard tons of hype over Miravis Ace this year, anyone do any trials? We've always thrown some K in our starter blend for stalk strength but never actually done any trials, both soil and tissue tests show very high levels. It's pretty cheap but I sometimes wonder if we're throwing some money away on it, has anyone else done side by side comparison with K for yield and stalk strength? I had a Miravis trial this year on wheat against Prosaro xtr. Prosaro won by .4 and 1.1 bu/acre and the prosaro was 1.5% drier. The Miravis straw was way greener and terrible to put through. You could see the color difference in the strips in the stubble a month later! For me Prosaro has always beat Carumba by a little bit too. I spray a flag product as well, usually Twinline. Did a trial this year with Nexicor, Acapela and Trivapro and basically no difference in yield at early flag, but followed by Prosaro of course. I've also done many trials with potash but never got a response. I have a strip where I put almost a thousand pounds per acre down of 0-0-60 about five years ago, been watching it since in all crops and can't see any difference in standability/yield/anything... Normally grow Brandon wheat but did try some Redberry this year with similar results. Can normally get 90+ and sometimes over 100 with that variety if you throw the groceries at it and use Manipulator. Nice to have HRS for marketing flexibility but having sold my wheat to the feed mill for second time in three years I wonder if I should be trying a lower quality higher yielding variety, at least on part of the acres. |
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Post by jimbobobaroo on Dec 6, 2020 8:04:29 GMT -6
Been growing GO for last 8 or 10 years and had good luck. Lots lodged this year though, especially on pea stubble. Never had much issue in the past but due for a change. Going to give Brandon and Viewfield a run to see where things play out.
Normally putting down 125-50-0-15 and even with super high yields this year (95 ish) managed 13 - 13.5 pro. Usually a half point higher on pea stubble with 3 or 4 extra bushel but this year, actually lost yield in the lodged wheat. Super lodged was down to high 70's running closer to 16 pro. Avg. over here about 85, 14.2.
I know it's year dependent but seems to me the goal is the highest yield you can get at 13.5 pro. Penalties seem pretty steep from 13-13.5 this year and not huge upside past 14.
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