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Post by kevlar on Oct 26, 2020 20:29:36 GMT -6
Was cleaning up the shop a bit today and came across some old 2 way radios we used to use, stopped using them quite a few years ago as we ended up on the same frequency as another farm and they basically lived on them, you couldn't even call someone else without them asking if it was them you were calling. They were pretty handy for sure. Was wondering what others use? What does it cost now to have 2 ways? We have the base and everything else. A yearly or monthly subscription? We tried CB's for a bit, they suck. Texting works for most things but not the best, cell service is getting worse. Might go back to the 2 ways if it's not to costly, mostly would be nice at harvest.
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Post by meskie on Oct 26, 2020 21:15:38 GMT -6
We have two ways with our own private Chanel. Wouldn’t go without. The license is couple hundred a year not exactly sure.
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Post by SWMan on Oct 26, 2020 21:24:23 GMT -6
We have UHF radios, they work good and never regretted going that route. Fought with CB's for years, tried boosters and everything and they never were reliable and maybe a couple miles tops. The UHF radios do 15 miles on average depending on the machine or if base station is involved. It costs per unit to the Canadian government annually but I can't remember the exact cost. Good to have a hand-held as well for loaner machines or random stuff.
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Post by meskie on Oct 26, 2020 22:09:26 GMT -6
Well.....we only have two mobiles and a base radio.......
We have a couple handhelds and they are nice for rental or demo machines so you can communicate with them. Or take in a pickup if your trouble shooting a machine driving down the field.
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Post by serffarmer on Oct 26, 2020 22:35:35 GMT -6
We would be lost without our two way radios.
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Post by torriem on Oct 27, 2020 9:35:37 GMT -6
We use and depend on VHF radios. I forget how many individual licenses we have, but I recall that you have to have 3 base station licenses to have the frequency to yourself at your location, otherwise you end up sharing. And I believe the licenses are intended to cover operation in your area only (IE you can't legally use them on a road trip). We're slowly converting over to the new narrow-band radios as our old Midlands stop working.
I'm sure a lot of farms (perhaps most farms) just use cell phones these days. 99% of the time, that's probably good enough.
Also there are unlicensed GMRS radios that might benefit some, say at harvest time. Canada allows 2 watts unlicensed, and there are several channels to choose from, as well as squelch codes.
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Post by victory on Oct 27, 2020 14:54:50 GMT -6
Two way radios are worth the expense, especially at harvest time. You have instant communication and the distance for most farming needs.
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Post by bob123 on Oct 27, 2020 15:07:30 GMT -6
A good magnetic phone mount that keeps it in view and easy to pull off an reply to texts also makes communication more convenient
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Post by kevlar on Oct 27, 2020 15:36:01 GMT -6
I see both VHF and UHF have been mentioned, I did a quick look to see the differences. I think VHF is all I need, and pretty sure that's what the radios we have are. Why did some of you choose UHF?
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Post by northernfarmer on Oct 27, 2020 20:02:16 GMT -6
This topic has got me wondering, I am not sure if I am on UHF or VHF but the radios I have are supposed to work on either I believe. Have had two ways for quite a number of years and started out going with Midland and so had a pile of them and over half of them have crapped out and could no longer get parts for them. So in the last years when that had happened I've switched over to Kenwood ( of course a different mount and electric plug but the antenna plug is the same ) . The Kenwood model for anyone interested in basically the bottom of the heap and is a TK-7302H and yet has whatever functions I require but would not work in situations where a lot of frequencies/channels are required but not an issue on most farms. Cell service is crap here, between non existent in some spots to just barely working in other spots so not reliable fast communications at all. With a two way multiple people in multiple pieces of equipment are all able to communicate and get the message in an instant, wire each unit to come on with the turn of the key and the single frequency already set and so not a lot of input or planning is required. Its that up front cost to buy the units and used to do some swaps from pieces of equipment that would not be used at that moment in time with the Midland but the Kenwood I have does not have a friendly swap ability so the radios just stay in their respective vehicles/tractors/combines etc. Would be lost without them but I can see where a cell phone can work if there is reception and very limited amount of people are requiring to interact. And Kevlar as you brought up the harvest time of year, that is indeed when they really get used as more then one combine in a field and trying to keep things going rather then no one having a clue what and why the next person is doing what they are and getting disoriented in the dark, wondering where the next empty truck is, needing a grain cart and ... on and on.
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Post by torriem on Oct 27, 2020 20:32:53 GMT -6
Do you know your frequency? VHF Business Band is around 150 MHz in Canada. UHF would be more like 300 MHz. FRS radios use somewhere near 460 MHz. The higher the frequency the shorter the range, generally. But apparently UHF and FRS can work better indoors (in a warehouse for example). VHF is line of sight. We get between 10 and 15 miles usually, sometimes much more depending on terrain.
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Post by meskie on Oct 27, 2020 20:51:37 GMT -6
We have vhf radios and get up to 25 miles at times. Sometimes more. It’s better north south range then east west. Works good for us as we have land 30 miles north of our yard but only 6 miles east is the farthest. I agree that a radio is far better then a cell phone while in the field with multiple people. Everybody can here what the plan is or ask a question and somebody can answer.
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Post by northernfarmer on Oct 27, 2020 21:09:15 GMT -6
I couldn't seem to find the right paper work off hand but when you said the frequency for VHF, yes it it would be VHF that I am using. Its pretty good for coverage where the land is but if driving off to haul grain to the elevator then that doesn't work so well as there is a ridge between the farm and the route to the elevator.
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Post by bobofthenorth on Oct 27, 2020 21:28:13 GMT -6
Those of you who are sharing a frequency with a neighbour need to ask your radio supplier about Continuous Tone-Coded Squelch Systems (CTCSS) or more commonly just "tone squelch". Modern radios are likely already capable of CTCSS. The way it works is your radio transmits an inaudible tone along with your voice transmission. The receiving set only opens its squelch when it detects the inaudible tone. So you can have multiple groups of radios using the same frequency yet only hearing their private group conversations. Obviously its still one frequency so you can't talk over each other - actually you can but it will be same as when someone walks on someone else and nobody hears anything. Its absolutely a workable solution for shared frequencies and it removes the annoyance of hearing your neighbour or worse, hearing a transmission from your neighbour and responding because you thinks its from one of your guys.
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Post by kevlar on Oct 27, 2020 22:04:58 GMT -6
I called Prairie Mobile in Brandon today just to get an idea of what is what. Our radios are old, they think they likely won't work as they are from the era that they used crystals to give people their own channels. The starting price for radios is around $250 and up and the yearly license fee is $43 per radio (don't quote me exactly on prices, I don't have it written down in front of me). Like Bob stated, they use squelch systems now to give you your own frequency, but if you wish to join your neighbors or vise versa you just need to sign an agreement. Our farm is pretty much just a 2 man gong show, dad is pretty much retired. My brother and I are on the same frequency to the point we can combine all day and not even need to speak once, unless to say something stupid, but think it would sure be handy none the less to get a couple radios again. I have some embarrassing stories of when I was a kid sitting in the truck when the mic had inadvertently been pressed for a length of time. We both have younger kids, it might just be worth having them to hear some of the stupid things they have to say when they think no adults are listening!
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