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Post by kenmb on Nov 26, 2020 10:14:23 GMT -6
I put a $70 Canadian Tire radiant heater in attached garage for this winter just so I can leave the infloor heat off for the not so cold periods and basically have more independent control in garage. So will see how that plan works out. A radiant heat source focused on the concrete seems like a good way implement this idea.
Here is why I am posting. Is see Vieto units with a 2500w version. I see it mentions plug in and also says 120v. Even if you wire a 20 amp plug to supply it you still are at 20a x 120v = 2400w.
A manufacture can't re invent math nor ohms law where Volts x amps = watts. If they said this heater must be wired with a dedicated 240v outlet then I would agree. But there is a lack of information on the site about this. Maybe I am missing it. If someone sees it then let me know.
I would not mind putting in a 2500w unit in the garage if my experiment shows I am in the right direction. Wiring a 240v plug is no issue. And a built in thermostat would be nice but I could also run an inline 240v thermostat on the receptacle.
Does not seem like a sketchy company but the information seems lacking.
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Post by kenmb on Nov 26, 2020 10:19:42 GMT -6
This is in their FAQ section. Again, it's a head scratcher
What is the heat output in BTU’s?
The Veito carbon infrared heaters, 1500W or 2500W, put out approximately 8,000 BTU/hr and 12,000 BTU/hr. This is a fixed rate as no electric heater can put out more than 3.4 BTU’s per watt. The key to the efficiency of the Veito heaters is that it distributes the heat evenly throughout the room and does not waste it all in one hot spot.
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Post by torriem on Nov 26, 2020 14:26:32 GMT -6
So a fancy way of saying they have a specially-shaped reflector that spreads the IR out more evenly than the competition? A claim of course that would be hard to objectively verify!
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Post by kenmb on Nov 26, 2020 15:44:13 GMT -6
That's my take on it. They are basically claiming their product produces more heat energy. But watts are watts and watts converts to btu as a mathematical relationship. It's hard to take in, say 1000w of energy and output more, no matter how well you design something.
Now perhaps they are being more efficient in how energy is transformed from one form to another, but if you plug into a 15 amp 120v outlet I don't see how you can claim 2500w output. So that is why I am curious what you supply for an electrical supply.
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Post by havinfunfarming on Nov 26, 2020 21:32:58 GMT -6
That's my take on it. They are basically claiming their product produces more heat energy. But watts are watts and watts converts to btu as a mathematical relationship. It's hard to take in, say 1000w of energy and output more, no matter how well you design something. Now perhaps they are being more efficient in how energy is transformed from one form to another, but if you plug into a 15 amp 120v outlet I don't see how you can claim 2500w output. So that is why I am curious what you supply for an electrical supply. I remember the salesman telling me there was a larger 2500 watt model but I had assumed it was running on 240 volts. Like you said the math doesn’t add up. I looked on the website and in specifications it says voltage 110-120 but then under power supply it says 230 volt. It’s really odd that they would have an error like that on their website. There is no question that 2500 watts of output won’t be possible on a regular 120 volt outlet though.
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Post by kenmb on Nov 27, 2020 8:26:52 GMT -6
Yes, that mention of the 120v with 230v power supply was what really got me to post because that seems to be their entire specification. Usually one of the very basic specifications is Volts and amps requirement. It could even be a legal requirement provide such specifications to sell something electrical within the country. For example, I can't really wire up an electrical supply to a heater if I can't find the specifications for Volts and amps that it draws. And that is exactly why I brought the question.
So, if I buy one, how do I hook up a 2500w unit? It seems I need to phone the manufacturer because I can't find that info right now. And that seems a little sketchy.
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Post by Albertabuck on Nov 27, 2020 9:58:27 GMT -6
I never looked up their website, but is it possible the dual rating is for Europe where they do run 220 as normal? Where are they made?
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Post by kenmb on Nov 27, 2020 10:47:27 GMT -6
They may be made in Europe, don't actually see mention of where they are made, we are looking at a .ca website. Another link here from the site, says the 2500w is 8300btu which is mathematically correct. But again, no mention of amps. I would assume you hard wire in the 2500w unit which is fine. This may be an issue with the website and lack of info, if there is a parent company elsewhere then need to go there for more info. veito.ca/product/veito-aero-2500w-black/
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Post by torriem on Nov 27, 2020 17:55:30 GMT -6
Yeah they list contradictory specs. They say voltage 120-130, but then they say power supply 230v, 50 or 60 Hz. That's pretty much a dead giveaway that the rating of 2500 watts is clearly with European voltage. They'll work fine here, but it's only going to be 1250 watts, 11 amps. But you certainly could wire it for 240 volts and at 11 amps get about the 2500 watts advertised.
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Post by kenmb on Nov 28, 2020 8:01:19 GMT -6
I found the same unit on an Australian website and it is stated as 10.9a @ 240v.
I beleive my suspicion of the Canadian site being the problem is correct. They did a piss poor/lazy job of trying to make the European product fit their Canadian market place then went further with some made up claims of super efficiency. The product itself may be very good, the people with the Canadian website/business are looking questionable at the moment. Don't think I would be afraid to buy one next year but will look for more info elsewhere than the Canadian website to confirm my thinking before ordering.
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