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Post by SWMan on Oct 22, 2020 22:03:17 GMT -6
Just wondering if anyone has experience with these type of heaters? I was at a farm show awhile back and saw this one veito.ca/ and couldn't believe the heat it was throwing out. He had an amp meter on it too and I forget exactly but it was pretty economical. I almost bought one on the spot, but decided to wait. Now they call this a "carbon Infrared" radiant heater, but there are other types of radiant heat as well, some much more economical to purchase. Princess Auto has this one: Princess Auto heater which is probably less than 20% of the cost based on wattage. I think Canadian Tire sells the first type there. I understand these things are for localized heat, not necessarily for general heat in a building. Any thoughts?
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Post by meskie on Oct 22, 2020 22:14:44 GMT -6
I had to chuckle cause it almost seemed like a spammer post from the other forum.
Only experience I have with the second heater is in the score keepers booth at the hockey rink. Works ok there for me but I’m generally warm in a hockey rink. We have a Small electric radiant heater above our table in our shop for extra heat as it can get cool if a salesman stops by and the shop heat isn’t turned up.
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Post by SWMan on Oct 22, 2020 22:23:43 GMT -6
Ha Ha, my account has not been hacked on this site yet...
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Post by Beerwiser on Oct 22, 2020 23:50:22 GMT -6
A buddy had natural gas radiant heater in a 6 bay shop. I think it was a 20 or 24 foot roof and the heater ran almost the length of the shop down the middle. It worked well, although I would have had the put a length over the bay doors. I know he liked it over the forced air in his old shop, but this was in a newer building so it is hard to compare. Ah, winter topics.
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Post by torriem on Oct 23, 2020 12:04:50 GMT -6
What would you use that electric radiant heater for, SWMan? Heating a shop workbench? In the next two weeks the local furnace guys are going to install some overhead radiant heaters in our new shop. I think the plan is to put them about 24 feet up along the bottom of our open trusses. A couple of runs down the length of the shop. We are planning to keep them on all winter so the cement should get warm and stay warm. The plan is to install one big 18' fan between the trusses to de-stratify the air. Should be pretty comfortable when it's done.
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Post by Albertabuck on Oct 23, 2020 12:42:59 GMT -6
Radiant gas heaters are more efficient that a regular firebox type furnace, but need to be sized or populated for area to be heated, proper placing is huge too. They are slow to recover from sudden drops in temps such as from opening doors ect. Floors also tend to be cold as well, so if you are working underneath large trucks for example, you feel the temp diff. Nothing wrong with them as main source of heat, but always good idea to supplement with a regular forced air unit for quick make up, especially if you have the doors open more than once a day.
On the smaller scale with those electric ones, been looking at them myself, need one for a pump house, 8X8X8, so not that big, but been thinking of one mounted to the wall simply for less chance of inadvertently getting knocked over ect. Had always been told those oil filled ones were supposed to be the best, but then that was in the past. Not sure I would buy one based on price, quality would be my main factor, over the years I know of too many pump houses that went up in smoke due to some cheap electric heater.
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Post by meskie on Oct 23, 2020 12:47:49 GMT -6
Radiant gas heaters are more efficient that a regular firebox type furnace, but need to be sized or populated for area to be heated, proper placing is huge too. They are slow to recover from sudden drops in temps such as from opening doors ect. Floors also tend to be cold as well, so if you are working underneath large trucks for example, you feel the temp diff. Nothing wrong with them as main source of heat, but always good idea to supplement with a regular forced air unit for quick make up, especially if you have the doors open more than once a day. On the smaller scale with those electric ones, been looking at them myself, need one for a pump house, 8X8X8, so not that big, but been thinking of one mounted to the wall simply for less chance of inadvertently getting knocked over ect. Had always been told those oil filled ones were supposed to be the best, but then that was in the past. Not sure I would buy one based on price, quality would be my main factor, over the years I know of too many pump houses that went up in smoke due to some cheap electric heater. In our shop we built last year the plumber suggested we put a radiant tube and a forced air heater in it. Run on two separate thermostats and set the forced air slightly lower. The radiant heat kept the shop warm by it’s self for the most part except when opening the doors Or when it got real cold or when the wind was blowing hard. Plumber also said that way if one quits there is back up heat to keep things from getting two cold.
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Post by Beerwiser on Oct 23, 2020 13:01:51 GMT -6
AB, if you find a decent wall mount radiant heater let me know. Need to replace my current wall mount heater in the pump house too (same size). I like your plumbers idea Meskie. Makes a lot of sense.
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Post by torriem on Oct 23, 2020 16:31:59 GMT -6
Radiant gas heaters are more efficient that a regular firebox type furnace, but need to be sized or populated for area to be heated, proper placing is huge too. They are slow to recover from sudden drops in temps such as from opening doors ect. Floors also tend to be cold as well, so if you are working underneath large trucks for example, you feel the temp diff. Nothing wrong with them as main source of heat, but always good idea to supplement with a regular forced air unit for quick make up, especially if you have the doors open more than once a day. Kind of funny as guys swear up and down that in-floor heating is the cat's meow, and recover faster when you open doors. But there's no difference between heating the cement pad with radiant heaters and in-floor. It's the same thing. Thermal mass of the floor. Come that, forced air is the same thing if you keep it warm all the time. A warm floor (heated by any means) will warm the air back up the fastest when you open a door. And actually a radiant heater can keep the floor warm even when the door is open for extended periods. The energy isn't lost until it's re-radiated from the concrete floor. Now if you're trying to heat and work in a storage shop that's normally full of machines, then yes I can see how the floor would be cooler. But in an open workshop where the floor is exposed nearly all the time, I expect the floor to be pretty nice and warm most of the time. At least that's the way it is in the shops I've been in with radiant heaters. And when you add in the big fan to gently push the warm air back down (the interior of our shop is an open span so a lot of space up there), that should make it pretty comfortable. We're not planning to add forced air, but we could easily stick a little one in the corner if we thought it necessary. We'll learn pretty quickly how well it will all work. HVAC guys think it will be fine.
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Post by meskie on Oct 23, 2020 17:07:13 GMT -6
I actually don’t like in floor heat in a shop. It’s too warm while working under stuff I find and my feet are always hot.
No complaints about our radiant tube heater yet for how comfortable it is to work inside. We have ceiling fans running all winter to move the air around
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Post by Albertabuck on Oct 23, 2020 19:01:00 GMT -6
Well I guess I have never had the privilege of working in a empty shop so never got to get the concrete warm like in floor heat lol. Was a full length heater along one side of what would have been about approx 30 X 60 feet bay. Was large overhead furnace as well. Sure along the one side you felt it, but certainly not on the other side or underneath whatever we was working on. In the other side of shop with a double bay about twice the size had two overheads only, actually found that more comfy to work in, but then we'd turn them down at nite and back up in the morning. Maintaining a large fleet of trucks and trailers, so I'd say at minimum there was a door opening every two hours. In the welding bay with that infrared, sure if the doors never got opened and whatever you was working on was able to have been put in the nite before, least the truck or trailer itself was warm then.
In floor has its benefits, depends on what you are doing with the building or the kind of work being done in it. No one size fits all senario, and one needs to factor in cost as well. Even with in floor you still need a make up unit if you have the doors open for any length of time. Remember where I am, we see -40 a lot more than you do down south lol.
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Post by SWMan on Oct 23, 2020 20:43:36 GMT -6
What would you use that electric radiant heater for, SWMan ? Heating a shop workbench? In the next two weeks the local furnace guys are going to install some overhead radiant heaters in our new shop. I think the plan is to put them about 24 feet up along the bottom of our open trusses. A couple of runs down the length of the shop. We are planning to keep them on all winter so the cement should get warm and stay warm. The plan is to install one big 18' fan between the trusses to de-stratify the air. Should be pretty comfortable when it's done. Probably just portable heaters or localized warming. Might do a little greenhouse next spring and figured it would work good in there too. Shop right now has a combination of forced air and floor heat in the addition. I love the floor heat and it melts and dries off way quicker in winter when equipment is brought in. Just no personal experience with radiant heat.
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Post by bob123 on Oct 26, 2020 15:04:28 GMT -6
I haven't become a fan of radiant heaters yet, feet are cold normally but climb up into the engine bay of a combine and you could fry an egg up there. I'd take any other heating method over a tube
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Post by havinfunfarming on Nov 26, 2020 8:21:46 GMT -6
I haven't become a fan of radiant heaters yet, feet are cold normally but climb up into the engine bay of a combine and you could fry an egg up there. I'd take any other heating method over a tube I bought one of those Vieto heaters you talk about a few years ago after a friend talked them up. I love that thing. It literally gets used every evening in the winter. Sitting in front of it is just like sitting close to a wood stove but it is instant on, instant off, and no work. After a cold day outside we face it towards the couch or recliner and in no time that down to the bone chill is gone. My friend was using it to heat up a pump room so of course it can be used for regular space heating also. In that regard it would work in a green house but one thing to keep in mind is that if you are aiming it towards the plants the direct heating affect it gives off drops off dramatically with distance. I imagine it would be one of those exponential type of deals. One concern that I have, and it could be just mine, is that the heaters own plug in will get quite warm if using it on high. We usually only used level one or two out of the four settings so it isn’t an issued or us but it gets hot enough that I plan to replace the plug end someday. Maybe it is just a flaw in mine though. At any rate, I highly encourage anyone that wants a nice localized heat source to try one. I will definitely get another one if this one ever quits. I don’t know about the cheaper versions of them but we will be finding out soon. We are giving our son one for Christmas. We are planning on mounting it on the wall and aiming it towards his bed. There’s no heat duct in his room so it should work well for him. Edit to add: I screwed up. I meant to quote SW’s post also.
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Post by SWMan on Nov 26, 2020 8:51:07 GMT -6
Awesome that's what I wanted to hear. I bought a cheap one but haven't used it yet, probably will order a couple of the Vieto units then.
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