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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 8, 2020 13:14:07 GMT -6
Saw something just a bit ago I have never seen before. A ten day old heifer calf seemed to be doing some weird antics with her tail raised part way, wiggling her back end as if she was rubbing up against something and scratching. Then humped her back and squirted out some runny poop, normal colored but quite watery, and only reason I noticed what come next was because I was standing right there beside her as she did this, and I'm like WTF its moving...figured it had to be gas bubbles or such. She wandered off a bit and was busy trying to lick her ass and I picked up a small twig and started routing around and much to my surprise, everything I thought was a bubble, was a small white worm. No worms are nothing new, but in a ten day old calf? Thinking she must have ate some older animals poop or something. With all this covid crap been getting difficult to even deal with my vet directly, she still sucking and otherwise all healthy so was doing a bit of reading online about it, same thing, can't find sqaut about one that young. Since momma probably lick the pour on off her back, thinking best to give her injection of some Ivomec but I'll have to get some, don't have the injectable. Anyone else ever run across this? Appreciate some input if you have. Thanks.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 8, 2020 13:26:38 GMT -6
Can you even give a 10 day old ivomec injection? I have never seen that before either. If it is only one worm and the calf is still sucking and doing well I would wait a bit maybe until 3 weeks? I would also grab the worm and try to find out what it is. I am not the best person to give advice on this so take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 8, 2020 13:44:21 GMT -6
I dunno Beer, guess I need to go thru my vet anyway, can't buy the injectable over the counter anymore either, only the pour on. This drug restriction we gotta live with is about as annoying as the kung flu bullshit. Not a worm here, worms, as in lots, I'd guess around a dozen in that maybe half a cup of poop. Its like she's irritated inside too, kind of kicking at her guts with her back legs and trying to lick. Actually wondering if she maybe ate some cat shit...I've seen those small white worms stuck to their asses before. Some kind of of tapeworm I believe, not sure if these the same or not.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 8, 2020 13:50:01 GMT -6
Shit, yeah if she is irritated treat. No question about that. And with the drug restrictions I bet you will have to bring her in or they come out. It has gotten beyond stupid.
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Post by cptusa on Sept 8, 2020 13:59:15 GMT -6
10 days old? Wow. Cattle or 2020 never cease to make one shake their head.
Ivomec is pretty safe, I'd hit her with it.
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 8, 2020 14:28:32 GMT -6
Yea guys I never seen this one before. Update on the worms, went to get a sample because I knew the vet will need that. Actually with my vet with that a few pics I'll probably be ok but its going thru the girls in the office, massive exercise in futility at times, it just pisses me off to even think about it. Least when I could walk in, he'd hear me and if he could he'd come out to talk to me, now I can't do that, its all thru the girls on the phone and unless its a dying dog seems they don't care.
K, back to the worms, can't get decent pic of them but they are about half inch long, about the thickness of a pencil lead, white with some kind of rings around the body and a dark spot in the middle of the body inside. Can't find anything like it online. They can stretch out to about an inch long at this point, so they are stretchy ones, that has me thinking tape worms. I find ot strange I can't find pics online but then didn't spent a lot of time either. They are really irritating her, feel bad the calf. Expect her mother will lick it off I got lots of pour on, but they don't recommend using it on pre ruminating calves...so in other words normally used when a few weeks or older, not basic newborn. Guess have to get on the phone. I'll post back what and when I learn more. Thanks.
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 8, 2020 14:42:50 GMT -6
And we and the little girl are off to town...my vet thinks they are some kind of maggots and the irritation some kind of infection...now thats different. See how it goes.
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 8, 2020 18:14:12 GMT -6
Well back home and got time before supper, figured I'd pound out an explanation. Lucked out when I called the vet, he was right at the counter so was able to bypass the usual dithering by his staff and thus the decision was made to bring her in immediately.
Now, while I could get half way close to the calf prior, I never had hold of her, and in no way noticed anything physically wrong, other than the way she would hunch up to pee or poop. That all changed once I got hold of her to load her for the trip to town. She is one of them that is somewhat wooly so lots of hair, and well I saw something today I had never seen on a live animal in a very long time. Her whole back end was full of yep, maggots, small little ones, not what I normally think of when I think maggot but I guess I think of the adult ones, under her hair along her body, especially around the root of her tail and below her bits. Then she fired off a volley of what would be called explosive diarrhea and I could actually see the bloody bugs coming out of her ass at the same time. Her bits were full of them too. But things didn't quite look right, it was like her vulva was swollen excessively. Vet had a look at her and was like wowsers, he too had never seen anything quite like this either. Had one of the girls clean and shave her bare and oh my what a mess. Hadn't been going on for very long but enough was raw skin and hair easily fell out. And yep they were inside her as well. But once she was shaved and we all looked closer, then what we figure was the trigger kind of stood out. She has a deformed vuvla, its not shaped as it should be, growth at the bottom which then makes the opening almost like a catch basin...so now add some milk scours which so many young ones get for a few days and bingo, the perfect haven for bloody flies to lay their eggs. Vet figures they were pretty much hatching in her vulva and then migrating to her butt and body. Now my question he couldn't answer is if that deformity is why she seems to have strain to pee and poop. He said she has swelling in some mammary tissues between her legs and figures much of it is simply due to irritation from the bugs. Time will tell I guess. Loaded her up with a few different things, she's got a bald ass and tail now too, have some stuff to keep treating her and as long as she stays clean she should lose the last of the bugs in a couple days or so.
Now while all that seems like a simple issue, other than her humping up to pee, there was not one sign of anykind of issue till I got hold of her. Hate to think if she'd already been booted out to pasture with the rest of the herd. I always keep new calves separate for a couple days at least to make sure they all mothered up, then move them to another larger area until several accumulate there and they been in there for about a week, then move them on down the line...so luckily with this one, she was still here at home or this could have very well been missed until it was much much worse or even killed her. Learn something every day. The more you have and deal with in a lifetime, the more of these deformities and such one is gonna see. Right now I have a perfectly normal heifer except her legs are only half as long as they should be, be about four months old now, height wise its no higher than a new born but it has a normal sized body. Have had other issues over the years, including more than one with a deformed vulva too. Had a cow I called the Mutant because of how her's was shaped. Didn't effect her in anyway, but sure looked queer from behind.
So that ends the mystery of the ten day old calf loaded with worms. As my vet said, good thing I noticed her humped back while straining, otherwise I would have most likely missed it all till it much worse or even too late. Full time job just babysitting the cows when you get so many, and then they suffer when there is farming to do, usually they are the priority around here, but then they are what makes the money too lol.
Thanks and maybe others can learn from this one. I'll post back how things go after a few days. Thanks.
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Post by cptusa on Sept 8, 2020 19:17:13 GMT -6
I'd like to say that's just wierd but I can top it.
Had a female ish pig that had a vulva and a penis like growth out the bottom of it. Now if that wasn't enough, no testicles but would somehow ejaculate out the growth whenever you try to move it.
Glad you got to the bottom of things and hopefully she recovers well. Animals, a new adventure every day.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 10, 2020 17:22:10 GMT -6
Ha, cptusa. You have a nuclear power plant near by? Ab, how is she making out and any signs of improvement?
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 10, 2020 18:49:35 GMT -6
Funny you ask, just sat down with a coffee here after supper was going to update. Yea lot better, bugs are gone. Washing her down with salt water and then putting on an antiseptic cream once a day. Didn't mention before, but vet also gave her an enema in both back doors, a good hit of antibiotic and some pain killer. He gave me a syringe with something in to give her one cc a day for two days, think it might have been that Banamine, I forget what he said, will know when I get the bill it will be all listed out. Also he gave her some of them scour tabs and something else orally that I think was for bugs. We both agreed giving her some electrolytes would be a good idea as well, I didn't today, no more scours and she is still sucking good, so I don't like shoving that tube down anyone's throat unless its really necassary.
She is peeling now like a real bad sunburn, all around root of the tail and area around and below her rigging, was some pretty good sized pieces come off tonight when I cleaned her up just before supper. It must be itchy, because most of the time you rub her and clean her up, she's grunting and the tongue is sticking out six inches and she's doing the twist lol
I suspect there is still swelling of everything back there, so have to wait and see, but the way her vulva almost lays flat is not good, again tonight there was poop in there, not much but it was there. Might have some urinary tract or bladder issues as well, urine stream is very slow and no power behind it, but thats part of why things can accumulate in the opening the way they do without being washed away. I never like to post pics of things like that where the public can see. We had shaved her before, and now that she has her hide peeling the way it is, gonna have to see, may have to actually keep her and her mom in somewhere come winter, I always set up a creep with feed shelter and bedding for the later calves, but this one I'm not sure she gonna have a whole lot of hair back there before Christmas, gonna look like them apes or chimps whatever with the bare asses lol. Her tail is punked out too, top half bare all around, bottom intact lol
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Post by cptusa on Sept 10, 2020 19:12:44 GMT -6
Maybe get some silver sulfadiazine from the vet, or maybe that's what he gave you, helps to keep skin moist and is extremely soothing if there is chaffing/peeling. Its the same thing that is used in burn centers for pain relief. I used it on a bull's tallywhacker when he had an infected sheath and couldn't retract.
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