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Post by kevlar on Sept 21, 2023 13:24:02 GMT -6
The Kohler motor got gas in the oil and now sounds pretty sick. Are the motors Princess auto good enough to run an auger for awhile until I get the kohler fixed? Or is it worth overhauling an auger motor, it’s been pretty good to us so far. The prices of new ones are nuts. Like 5 grand nuts.
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Post by meskie on Sept 21, 2023 14:23:59 GMT -6
We have a Chinese engine on our one auger we only use in the spring and it’s been working good for 5 or 6 years.
Had our Koehler go on our one auger but the auger was fairly worn out and it was cheaper to buy a new one the fix or replace the engine. Sold the auger at auction. And got twice as much as I thought
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Post by Oatking on Sept 21, 2023 17:22:06 GMT -6
We have a Chinese engine on our one auger we only use in the spring and it’s been working good for 5 or 6 years. Had our Koehler go on our one auger but the auger was fairly worn out and it was cheaper to buy a new one the fix or replace the engine. Sold the auger at auction. And got twice as much as I thought I stopped buying or choosing a Koehler engine on my new augers . I actually have had good luck with vanguards. I don’t have the gas leaking into the oil which is a huge problem with Koehler. I also notice vanguards don’t back fire all the time when you shut them off. I would look at a diesel engine but for now the vanguard is good enough for me. It seems reliable . The Koehler engines have caused me lots of cursing episodes and you got to be kidding me moments . |
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Post by meskie on Sept 21, 2023 17:37:35 GMT -6
Yes. Last 2 augers have a vanguard and so far so good with them. Just had to winterize them. Remove the crank breather into the intake.
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Post by northernfarmer on Sept 21, 2023 18:40:59 GMT -6
The Kohler motor got gas in the oil and now sounds pretty sick. Are the motors Princess auto good enough to run an auger for awhile until I get the kohler fixed? Or is it worth overhauling an auger motor, it’s been pretty good to us so far. The prices of new ones are nuts. Like 5 grand nuts.
Did you determine if it was the fuel pump diaphragm that caused fuel to leak into the crank case or have happen like me where the fuel in the fuel tank is above the level of the engine and the original fuel tank never had any provision for pressure not building up in the tank due to the sun so those two items caused fuel to push past the float valve. I installed a small ball valve near the fuel tank and always turn it off when I shut the engine down ( just have to remember to turn it on before augering and have the engine quit ... oops ) .
I haven't looked at Princess Auto engines to think they had an engine large enough for an auger of any size but your right about these auger engines being totally retarded in price, I mean you can buy a "John Deere" tractor at Home Depot for less then that !
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Post by kevlar on Sept 21, 2023 19:46:41 GMT -6
Never dug into it, just assumed that was the issue, most common cause on these engines. The last time I used it it started sounding rough when I was moving it around, checked the oil and it was higher than it should have been. Changed the oil in it today but still sounds sick. It’s on a 8x40 auger, 25 horse.
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Post by Oatking on Sept 22, 2023 6:28:57 GMT -6
I tried my best to save my koehler engines. I installed gas shut offs from the tank but to no avail it still leaked in while running. I said it before, sometimes so much gas would leak in it would splash out of the oil dipstick when I checked the oil.
i tried princes auto knock off honda pumps but returned them . i tried two and couldnt get them started . the most important part of these engines are the tiny holes that can get gummed up.
i havent found any good gas stabilizer to keep them free of grit. try to run them dry.
ether is my friend to get them going.
surprised we have so few choices for auger engines.
i like kevlars electric idea. that application could work.
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Post by meskie on Sept 22, 2023 7:11:24 GMT -6
Talked to a guy a few years ago who bought a wrecked motorbike from sgi salvage to put on his auger. Left the transmission on it and has 5 speeds to run it. I think he said he only used 1st and second. More power than he ever needs and it’s efi so it ran good. No idea how they would work when cold.
350 chevys are cheaper to buy then those little auger motors.
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Post by victory on Sept 22, 2023 19:58:09 GMT -6
I'm not sure that ethanol in the gasoline is doing us any favors either.
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Post by kevlar on Sept 22, 2023 20:06:00 GMT -6
Ended up buying a Honda 24 horse, supposed to be in in a couple days. Kohler sounds like out of stock for who knows how long. $3700 for the Honda, hope it’s alright, I’ve never had any problems with them but I’m sure I’ll here stories! lol. Talked to a mechanic before I bought this one, says Kohler is crazy expensive to rebuild, says every part has to be ordered separately, no kits so that is likely why. I might get him to tear into it later to see what it needs and how bad $$$$$. Never hurt to have a spare.
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Post by Oatking on Sept 22, 2023 20:46:18 GMT -6
I'm not sure that ethanol in the gasoline is doing us any favors either. Anybody try av gas 100ll . It is more refined and higher octane . The regular farm fuel I get is maybe no good for small engines thus problems. I might try it this fall . Interesting how small gas air planes have to drain some gas out each time a flight is taken to test for water. I bet lots of auger motors have water in the gas tank !!!! |
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Post by northernfarmer on Sept 22, 2023 20:58:31 GMT -6
I have heard gripes about the Honda not working well during the winter but one of my neighbours ran one for years and did some slight mods on it so that it got some radiated heat from the exhaust muffler coming into the intake I believe, he ran that 8 inch auger a lot and always with that same engine he bought the auger new with. At the time and they still may not have a provision for a so called winter kit to prevent carb icing and the crank case vent that wants to ice up on a lot of engines. The problem as well is they set all of these engines so lean to meet emissions and then they won't run properly during the winter, I had to modify jets for my kohler so it would not stall in even cool weather.
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Post by meskie on Sept 22, 2023 21:02:14 GMT -6
Couldn’t give me a Honda v twin engine. Had a 20hp on a 8” auger that ran terrible in the winter. Had to put a diesel heater blowing on it when we hauled grain a few times. From what I read they are too lean from factory to meet emissions so when it gets to -20 or -30 it won’t run proper without the choke on. Can drill the main jet out a bit to help it. I liked the old engines with a carb you could actually adjust for conditions.
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Post by northernfarmer on Sept 22, 2023 21:20:13 GMT -6
I'm not sure that ethanol in the gasoline is doing us any favors either. Anybody try av gas 100ll . It is more refined and higher octane . The regular farm fuel I get is maybe no good for small engines thus problems. I might try it this fall . Interesting how small gas air planes have to drain some gas out each time a flight is taken to test for water. I bet lots of auger motors have water in the gas tank !!!!
I would be very cautious about using av gas in your auger engine or any other engine as well that was not intended to run it. The problem is there are components in 100LL that eat normal rubber fuel lines or anything else that is not compatible with that fuel which may even be components in the carb or fuel pump. That is why the hose used to fill aircraft after the filtering system has to use a very specific air craft fuel rated fuel hose because it will degrade other hose types and cause bits of hose to enter the carb of an aircraft and that is bad news. I have one friend who ran av gas in one of his cars with a higher compression engine but what he didn't realize was this issue with rubber and at first it worked but then the car sat for a while and he had a mess as the hose particles ended up in the carb but he still didn't know why until I explained the oddity of that fuel. Oatking, if I were you I would seek out some higher octane no ethanol fuel and try that for a while and see how that goes. The problem with ethanol fuel also is that its even worse for absorbing water and these plastic tanks seem bad for expanding and contracting causing more water from the air to get into the fuel. I had years of struggles with water getting into the dinky little inline filter on the auger engine, any time the auger sat for a time is when the problems would happen as soon as I went to use it and elevating the auger up and the tank would tip causing that swimming pool of water in the tank to dump into the fuel line and shut me down. I ended up putting one of those golden rod filter housings on the auger and although I did put a water separating element into the housing the ethanol probably carries water right through it, however the large bowl of the filter housing starts filling up with free water from the fuel tank and I have plenty of warning of water and just drain out the water from the filter housing as needed. I have not had any problems with water stopping the engine since I put that filter on and I also left the inline filter on as well near the engine. Then I also will pour in some sea foam once in a while to help clean up the main and idle jets in the carb.
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Post by meskie on Sept 22, 2023 21:26:08 GMT -6
One of my buddies in high school used to run his lawnmower on shine…. Took 3-4 engines before they got the mix with regular gas perfected. But man could that thing mow.
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