|
|
Post by Beerwiser on Jun 7, 2023 22:32:52 GMT -6
Just wondering how many people pull water from dugouts for spraying? I never had any luck with doing that, algae growth, plugged screens etc. Always used city water, but I have a 1000ac with no water source near by except his dugouts.
|
|
|
|
Post by northernfarmer on Jun 8, 2023 4:56:11 GMT -6
This is an item I have used some and that certainly helps, along with one of those plastic housed screens with a 100 mesh screen which may have to be cleaned often depending on what the water is like. I've used a three inch pump with 3 inch suction line but then a 2 inch discharge so my screen housing was smaller which was not ideal but the whole combination can work. I was supporting the suction line with the steel cable that runs across the dugout that the house suction line is hanging off of but otherwise one would have to use a floaters tied to the filter and rope across the dugout to hold the filter out there away from the edge of the dugout. I see Flaman may also sell the Super-Flo filter.
|
|
|
|
Post by 10inchtopsoil on Jun 8, 2023 14:48:42 GMT -6
Neighbour does, not sure if it impacts him but general advise is the disolved solids in the water would bind to the chemical and make it ineffective. You'll want to treat the water with AMS before you add chemical. The AMS binds to the solids so that your chemical stays free.
We were using well water and had to do the same, high sulphate content. Now we haul water. Used to get AMS in drums, now it's jugs, a real pain.
You can definitely take a sample of the dugout water and send it away for testing. But a sample from the surface may not represent the water you would pull out of there if there is stratification - or if you stir up some of the solids when you dump the intake in there.
|
|
|
|
Post by Beerwiser on Jun 8, 2023 21:44:10 GMT -6
I only need 10000 gal for liberty so getting it tested is not worth it. AMS sounds like a good plan for a temporary solution. I know in the past any dugout water I had left in the nurse tank would grow algae with in a few days, probably run some finish through everything once I am done. I know I have the plastic screen somewhere so with that and AMS I should be good. Thanks.
|
|
|
|
Post by kenmb on Jun 9, 2023 8:09:18 GMT -6
I bought one of those water test kits with vial and add droplets to change water color to measure dugout water. My elevator would test water samples for me and when I had a dugout testing 1000 ppm I figured it was best to keep tabs on this information myself. My dugout by the yard is testing 18 grains/360ppm this spring so was adding a jug of AMS per 200 gallons this spring for glyphosate.
For in crop there aren't too many chemicals that have an issue with hard water. Do an internet search and see. AMS could possibly bind with whatever crop chemical you are adding. Some things just don't work. It's why you can't just add liquid nitrogen to every tank mix.
I don't think I will be adding AMS when I mix up my loads for spraying wheat. 360ppm is on the low side for water hardness anyway. The other dugout at +1000ppm I would look into more but still think it is fairly rare to need AMS for any in crop herbicide.
|
|
|
|
Post by jcalder on Jun 10, 2023 14:00:07 GMT -6
We have always used town water and always will.
Honestly blows my mind when I see people sucking water out of a dugout then putting that crap in their $700,000 sprayers with $25/ac chemical.
|
|
|
|
Water???
Jun 10, 2023 14:24:01 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by meskie on Jun 10, 2023 14:24:01 GMT -6
Water is the cheapest thing you will put through your sprayer. We have 1300 acres 25 miles from our yard and we haul water to our sprayer. Can get 7000 gallons on our tanker legally.
|
|
|
|
Post by Oatking on Jun 10, 2023 14:56:20 GMT -6
We have always used town water and always will. Honestly blows my mind when I see people sucking water out of a dugout then putting that crap in their $700,000 sprayers with $25/ac chemical. We are lucky to have good town water piped to the farm like mostly everybody in the r m s . Nothing wrong with testing your ponds to keep algae out snd use it! I tell you, ….: you know when it’s peak spraying season because our town pressure really bites. In the house pouring a glass of water is probably half regular flow. |
|
|
|
Water???
Jun 11, 2023 23:36:30 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by shmiffy on Jun 11, 2023 23:36:30 GMT -6
Around here town water sucks. City is Saskatoon water is just over 300 ppm of dissolved solids.
|
|
|
|
Post by kenmb on Jun 12, 2023 7:03:29 GMT -6
That's why people have water softeners on town water. A dugout is theoretically rain water where as around here "town" water is from a well so has hardness to it. I have a shallow well into the sand my house basement sits in that is around 700 ppm. So better off with dugout water. My 100 foot well for the house is not awesome water either.
Can speculate all one wants which is better - town, dugout or well water, the only right answer is which one tests better.
The dugout by the house that is 360 ppm is primarily rain water running down hill over grass. The one that is 1000 ppm is mainly rain water that filters though the sand in the surrounding field area. And then neighbours have large sloughs/small lakes that have water in them for all of memory that likely test quite good.
Liberty is glufosinate which is one of the incrop chemicals that AMS is needed to correct water hardness. Probably the chemical name ending in "ate" designates similar response to hard water like glyphosate.
|
|
|
|
Water???
Jun 12, 2023 8:06:55 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by meskie on Jun 12, 2023 8:06:55 GMT -6
Not all town water is from a well. We are use town water that comes from the Sask river. It’s not soft but have never had issues using it to spray with.
It’s interesting that the water all comes from the same pipeline but if you get it tested from different areas it will all be different.
|
|
|
|
Post by Beerwiser on Jun 12, 2023 18:44:10 GMT -6
We have always used town water and always will. Honestly blows my mind when I see people sucking water out of a dugout then putting that crap in their $700,000 sprayers with $25/ac chemical. That is my exact sentiments too. I never had problems with chemical efficiency, but leave dugout water in the nurse tank for a day or two and you need a shovel to clean out the bottom of the tank. Well water is yet yet, dugout scares the crap out of me. Still have a couple of days to figure out what to do, might not be a crop to spray if we don't get some rain. |
|
|
|
Post by kenmb on Jun 13, 2023 8:42:58 GMT -6
I see some pretty piss poor spray jobs near me, my $10,000 pull type sprayer is definitely not an issue since everyone else is running self propelled. And I don't spend big dollars on chemical. But dugout water hasn't been an issue for me once I understand what I am dealing with. Yes, I don't put it in my flush tank. I am actually quite surprised how well chemicals work, all this talk of spraying weeds small to get a good kill doesn't seem to matter. The magazines have me worried that if a weed gets over 2" tall it's game over.
I prefer not using dugout water, but it doesn't effect my end result.
|
|
|
|
Post by kevlar on Jun 13, 2023 10:23:50 GMT -6
Ah yes, the good old farm magazines. If a guy followed everything they said to do, you would have a lot of free time in a couple years, because you wouldn’t still be farming.
|
|
|
|
Post by meskie on Jun 13, 2023 15:40:44 GMT -6
Ah yes, the good old farm magazines. If a guy followed everything they said to do, you would have a lot of free time in a couple years, because you wouldn’t still be farming. Just like all the farmers that end up on the cover of them. |
|
