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Post by 9520deere on Nov 30, 2021 20:59:08 GMT -6
Upgraded from a NH380 cart with flexicontrol to a Case 3580 air cart with a Pro 700. Seeding tractor is a Challenger with Trimble Autopilot integrated autosteer run by a 750 display. Not much room in these tractors for a wall of monitors. Is it possible to go to the Pro 700 for autosteer with the autopilot system? Is it worth it or is the 750 a better autosteer controller? Do I need a gps signal into the pro 700 for the drill and cart at all? Can this be done with the 750? Also wanting to put cameras in the seed tank and one behind for down the road. Thought into the 700 or 750 might be nice, one less monitor in the cab.
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Post by meskie on Nov 30, 2021 21:28:45 GMT -6
I don’t know much about that cart but anybody that I know that runs one prefers to have a separate monitor for it and steering. You should be able to get GPS into the 700 from the 750 with a cable. And cameras would be your preference.
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Post by jvdl on Nov 30, 2021 21:52:17 GMT -6
I run separate monitors gps and cameras on Deere display and drill on pro 700, never tried cameras on the pro 700 but was told that the picture quality wasn’t great. Don’t see any need to have gps signal to the pro 700
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Post by absk on Nov 30, 2021 23:03:33 GMT -6
I would assume your running a fm750? They discontinued that monitor this year, the new one that replaced it I believe is called a gfx 750 and it can run both auto steer and isobus implements such as your air cart
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Post by dennis on Nov 30, 2021 23:48:39 GMT -6
Upgraded from a NH380 cart with flexicontrol to a Case 3580 air cart with a Pro 700. Seeding tractor is a Challenger with Trimble Autopilot integrated autosteer run by a 750 display. Not much room in these tractors for a wall of monitors. Is it possible to go to the Pro 700 for autosteer with the autopilot system? Is it worth it or is the 750 a better autosteer controller? Do I need a gps signal into the pro 700 for the drill and cart at all? Can this be done with the 750? Also wanting to put cameras in the seed tank and one behind for down the road. Thought into the 700 or 750 might be nice, one less monitor in the cab. We have identical cart in New Holland colors. I’ll explain what happened and you can decide if you want to go down that road. We were told you could run everything through 1 monitor. So we had one pro 700 running the gps in the tractor and the air cart through VT. It worked driving it around in field testing before seeding but once we used gps and actually started seeding it would seed a couple of passes and then the nav controller would throw a fault code and you had no gps steering. Key off and on sometimes it would come back sometimes not. Drill seeded just no steering. So we did software updates, though we fixed it but once we seeded for 30 min it would fault out. Did multiple combinations of newer and older software on cart and tractor thinking the versions didn’t talk to each other. That didn’t fix it. Then we swapped hardware out of combine like nav controller antenna and steering valve thinking it was maybe hardware related. That didn’t fix it. We’re about 5 days later at this point. Everybody frustrated. Next morning we get brand new software from factory on air cart. It worked for almost an hour everybody excited thinking it’s fixed then it faulted the nav controller again and we were back to square 1. I suggested maybe it’s to much for 1 monitor to run let’s throw 2 pro 700 in the cab. One running cart and the other the tractor and steering. All of our problems went away. No steering issues. Our mapping was less glitchy and after the crop came up you could see in that field the 1 monitor side the start stop for the sectional control was a little off like 5 feet where as with 2 monitors it was bang on and we didn’t change any of the start stop times just running 2 monitors. It ran the rest of seeding with no issues. There is a gps signal cable we made up to run gps signal from the tractor pro 700 to the cart pro 700. The cart needs gps to work for the sectional control. So I’m pretty sure you’d have to with your 750 steering as well. Camera picture quality is ok but not great in the pro 700. You’d might want to try cameras in the Trimble monitor to see if you like it better. Just wanted to share what happened here so if you decide to do what I did and it doesn’t work at least you don’t waste 5 days of seeding. I would vote you go with 2 monitors.
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Post by 9520deere on Nov 30, 2021 23:58:13 GMT -6
Leaning to 2 monitors now. Dont really want spend more on upgrades just yet. Keep the steering and cameras on the 750 and drill on the pro700. No sectional control so guess GPS is not needed then.
These carts are not prewired for cameras at all through the factory harness? Its a 2015.
Cart is on a wingback drill, any must have parts a guy needs to keep stocked aside from the usual hose, openers, meter seals?
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Post by jvdl on Dec 1, 2021 0:06:03 GMT -6
Leaning to 2 monitors now. Dont really want spend more on upgrades just yet. Keep the steering and cameras on the 750 and drill on the pro700. No sectional control so guess GPS is not needed then. These carts are not prewired for cameras at all through the factory harness? Its a 2015. Cart is on a wingback drill, any must have parts a guy needs to keep stocked aside from the usual hose, openers, meter seals? I like to keep one of the sensors on hand for the tool bar that read metal/no metal, if one screws up in can be a SOB to get folded or unfolded
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Post by SWMan on Dec 1, 2021 7:52:43 GMT -6
What Challenger is it? Because if it's a C series or newer with the armrest monitor it should run the cart through there. I've been running same cart with a 965C and 865E for 7 years now, only issue is the prime function doesn't seem to work which isn't a huge deal IMO.
Good cart, wish they still made that one. Simple and reliable.
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Post by 9520deere on Dec 1, 2021 8:28:24 GMT -6
It will be on a 865C. I think it is a C1000 armrest monitor, it has the buttons down each side. Do you need any software loaded onto the tractor monitor, wire harness? Cart has the manual switch box for the clutches and purge as well.
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Post by SWMan on Dec 1, 2021 10:00:55 GMT -6
Yes C1000 monitor. I never had to load any software onto either of mine so probably not, runs through the iso hookup on rear of tractor by light connector. It takes a little getting used to but because the buttons on side of monitor become your switches and navigation there is a very positive feedback that can't be achieved with a touchscreen. I quite like it and no extra clutter in the cab.
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Post by 9520deere on Dec 1, 2021 12:38:40 GMT -6
Hmm might have to give that a try. Love the tractor but it gets cluttered with monitors quick on the side bar then its hard to see the drill end going around sloughs and trees. Do you know if you can run the cart switch box and the display? Like my toggle switches. Havnt tried the monitor out, is it alot like the combine monitors, lots of pages and things a guy needs to thumb through?
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Post by SWMan on Dec 1, 2021 12:53:41 GMT -6
I would try it. I think the switchbox that came with your PRO 700 will only work with that. Here is what it will look like in run mode.
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Post by 9520deere on Dec 1, 2021 13:01:46 GMT -6
That looks slick, is it easy to go back and forth from the drill to tractor? For some reason I like to watch my track tension and engine usage. Do you run the blockage of it as well? Those buttons would work better than the switch, hands already there for hyds.
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Post by SWMan on Dec 3, 2021 9:35:10 GMT -6
The buttons on left get you to the various major functions, such as hitting the tractor one takes you to whatever you last had populated on the tractor page. For me this is usually hydraulic flow on fan circuit, I basically never look at track tension, only ever remember it being an issue once and we were doing corn in -25C weather and although it showed low it still worked fine on the cart. I only remember tracks slipping once and that was protilling through runways filled with water... I run blockage(bottom left) and the second from top left is my toolbar which is hydraulic downpressure.
On RH side the back arrow gets you back to a choice of 4 run screens I believe, which have additional info. If you hit the back arrow twice you then can go into setup, calibration, etc. Some navigation at that point is done with rotary dial on RH of monitor by scrolling and pressing.
Like I said it takes a little getting used to, but I ran a PRO700 and switchbox previously and see no reason to put one back in the cab. Prime on monitor being the only exception, but prime button on tank still works if you want to spit some on ground and check runs while you fill up.
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Post by 9520deere on Dec 3, 2021 18:33:10 GMT -6
Warm enough today so dug the tractor out and put it on the drill. That works really slick with the armrest monitor. Think I am going to run my cart from that
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